NL MVP... Holliday vs. Rollins vs. Wright

oakfanintheeast · Post #1 » by **oakfanintheeast** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:14 pm

i have mr. colorado, anyone else ( esp. stat geeks) wanna chime in? off and defensive sabers as well.

34Celtic · Post #2 » by **34Celtic** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:14 pm

Holliday....hands down.

milehigh · Post #3 » by **milehigh** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:16 pm

Holliday

Post #4 » by **MHZ** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:19 pm

I think the sexy pick now is Rollins, because of Philly's slide into the postseason and his impact on that. I'm not sure of Howard is going to steal any votes from him. I'm not going to feign objectivity: Matt Holliday is my choice.

bigboy1234 · Post #5 » by **bigboy1234** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:19 pm

Wright...he was the best player in the NL this season, even though his team didn't make the playoffs.

oakfanintheeast · Post #6 » by **oakfanintheeast** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:23 pm

are there any other stats, besides zone rating, which shows holliday is better at his position than rollins? perhaps on BP, who have access?

Post #7 » by **Geddy** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:23 pm

Rollins

Post #8 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:24 pm

bigboy1234 wrote:Wright...he was the best player in the NL this season, even though his team didn't make the playoffs.

Yes, he was the best player in the NL this season not named Albert Pujols or Chipper Jones. Or Barry Bonds, if you can't that as a season.

Post #9 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:25 pm

And since the Padres didn't make the playoffs, Holliday for the win.

bigboy1234 · Post #10 » by **bigboy1234** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:31 pm

TyCobb wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yes, he was the best player in the NL this season not named Albert Pujols or Chipper Jones. Or Barry Bonds, if you can't that as a season.

Only someone like you would say Chipper and Bonds were better, I'm not going to argue Pujols because it is close, and I didn't bring him up because everyone would be like what a homer. Chipper and Bonds were better rate hitters though, it just so happens Bonds isn't the greatest fielder and doesn't play as much as he needs to be considered for the MVP. And Chipper simply missed too many games and his defense isn't as good as Wright's.

Black Jesus 1 · Post #11 » by **Black Jesus 1** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 5:39 pm

Holliday

Post #12 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:16 pm

I've said Rollins twice already on this board, and I'll say it again.

No disrespect to Matt Holliday at all, but it'll be hard for the voters to give the award to someone who's barely known outside of the town he plays in.

WEFFPIM · Post #13 » by **WEFFPIM** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:26 pm

Holliday. Rollins and Howard were close to equal in the amount of production they provided for the Phillies.

2poor · Post #14 » by **2poor** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:26 pm

Holliday, then Rollins, then Fielder.

Wright shouldn't get any votes IMO. :lol:

WEFFPIM · Post #15 » by **WEFFPIM** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:26 pm

gunnabdaschwab09 wrote:No disrespect to Matt Holliday at all, but it'll be hard for the voters to give the award to someone who's barely known outside of the town he plays in.

Well, Justin Morneau did win it last season

Post #16 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:30 pm

willeatfire4playoffsinmil wrote:Well, Justin Morneau did steal it from the person who actually deserved it last season

Fixed.

Yeah. I'm still sore about it.

WEFFPIM · Post #17 » by **WEFFPIM** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:37 pm

gunnabdaschwab09 wrote:Fixed.

Yeah. I'm still sore about it.

The fact is he won it, and no one outside of the AL Central had any idea about the season he was having until then. Where you play has nothing to do with getting the award.

milehigh · Post #18 » by **milehigh** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:51 pm

willeatfire4playoffsinmil wrote:The fact is he won it, and no one outside of the AL Central had any idea about the season he was having until then. Where you play has nothing to do with getting the award.

Yea what a dumb statement he shouldn't get it because you haven't heard of him? What a joke. East Coast bias never ceases to amaze me!

Post #19 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:01 pm

willeatfire4playoffsinmil wrote:Holliday. Rollins and Howard were close to equal in the amount of production they provided for the Phillies.

Well, Holliday has had Tulo as well.

Post #20 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:07 pm

bigboy1234 wrote:Only someone like you would say Chipper and Bonds were better, I'm not going to argue Pujols because it is close, and I didn't bring him up because everyone would be like what a homer. Chipper and Bonds were better rate hitters though, it just so happens Bonds isn't the greatest fielder and doesn't play as much as he needs to be considered for the MVP. And Chipper simply missed too many games and his defense isn't as good as Wright's.

Um, okay... :falloff: