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Selig: "My dream of parity is coming closer..."
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 3:11 am
by FNQ
From the Wiretap:
Maybe he meant parody?
I can't believe how either naive Selig is, or how naive he thinks WE are. Parity? Are you kidding me? ARod is still limited to a handful of teams due to salary constraints. Same with Bonds, and essentially any other superstar free agent. He's estatic that the other teams shuffled around... good job. The White Sox, A's, and Twins missed the playoffs. Considering two of those teams beat the odds by being massively outspent and still making the playoffs... there's some hypocrisy in that.
Until theres a cap in baseball (and there wont be) parity is to baseball as socialism is to society...
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 10:57 am
by sunshinekids99
I don't know there are three teams that are going to the playoffs that haven't been there in some time.
Colorado first time since 1995.
Philly first time since 1993.
Cleveland first time since 2001.
Cubs last went to the playoofs in 2003.
Dbacks first time since 2002.
Red Sox missed the playoffs last year.
Angels missed the playoffs last year.
Yankees were done in the first round.
I'd like to think he's getting close to his idea, with salary cap or not. When the playoff teams are always changing he's on to something.
It sure does appear that any year just about any team can make the playoffs.
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 11:31 am
by Basketball Jesus
The irony being that, since the mid-1990s there has been more parity in baseball than in football, if the definition of "parity" is taken to be different number of teams to make the postseason.
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 11:37 am
by cmaff051
Basketball Jesus wrote:The irony being that, since the mid-1990s there has been more parity in baseball than in football, if the definition of "parity" is taken to be different number of teams to make the postseason.
And especially the great parity that we have in the NBA with the salary cap.
Re: Selig: "My dream of parity is coming closer..."
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 11:59 am
by VinnyTheMick
510Reggae wrote:From the Wiretap:
Maybe he meant parody?
I can't believe how either naive Selig is, or how naive he thinks WE are. Parity? Are you kidding me? ARod is still limited to a handful of teams due to salary constraints. Same with Bonds, and essentially any other superstar free agent. He's estatic that the other teams shuffled around... good job. The White Sox, A's, and Twins missed the playoffs. Considering two of those teams beat the odds by being massively outspent and still making the playoffs... there's some hypocrisy in that.
Until theres a cap in baseball (and there wont be) parity is to baseball as socialism is to society...
Compare the parity in baseball to the other major sports & get back to me.
Re: Selig: "My dream of parity is coming closer..."
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 12:29 pm
by Basketball Jesus
510Reggae wrote:Until theres a cap in baseball (and there wont be) parity is to baseball as socialism is to society...
I don
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 12:31 pm
by Basketball Jesus
cmaff051 wrote:And especially the great parity that we have in the NBA with the salary cap.
Until people start (rightly) pinning the blame on incompetent/miserly ownership and not the infrastructure of baseball itself, then this supposed problem will not go away.
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 1:21 pm
by 34Celtic
Basketball Jesus wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Until people start (rightly) pinning the blame on incompetent/miserly ownership and not the infrastructure of baseball itself, then this supposed problem will not go away.
Can we pin the blame on the team from New York?
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 1:37 pm
by Basketball Jesus
34Celtic wrote:Can we pin the blame on the team from New York?
The Knicks? Sure.
Re: Selig: "My dream of parity is coming closer..."
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 7:34 pm
by Rafael122
510Reggae wrote:From the Wiretap:
Maybe he meant parody?
I can't believe how either naive Selig is, or how naive he thinks WE are. Parity? Are you kidding me? ARod is still limited to a handful of teams due to salary constraints. Same with Bonds, and essentially any other superstar free agent. He's estatic that the other teams shuffled around... good job. The White Sox, A's, and Twins missed the playoffs. Considering two of those teams beat the odds by being massively outspent and still making the playoffs... there's some hypocrisy in that.
Until theres a cap in baseball (and there wont be) parity is to baseball as socialism is to society...
I'm not sure I buy this argument. The Royals spent $55 million on Gil Meche. Teams have money to spend, its that they chose not to spend it or they spend it on the wrong players. Meche is not a $10 million per year pitcher.
Posted: Wed Oct 3, 2007 8:01 pm
by sunshinekids99
Overall I do agree with your statement. While not every team can spend money like the Yankees, Red Sox, or Mets do. They can be a good team in this league. Every team has money and I don't feel sorry for owners who don't spend enough of it to make their team better.
My only issue with your statement comes with Gil Meche. Meche is not a 10 million dollar pitcher I do agree. But it is very hard for a team like the Royals to get solid players to their team. They had to over spend to get a guy like Meche. And to be honest Meche had real good season. Posting a 3.67 era is not an easy thing to do in today's game.
The Royals will be getting some money with Mike Sweeney and Reggie Sanders coming off the books. And it should be interesting to see if they can go get a some solid free agents this offseason.
Re: Selig: "My dream of parity is coming closer..."
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:13 am
by FNQ
Basketball Jesus wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I don
Re: Selig: "My dream of parity is coming closer..."
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:16 am
by FNQ
Rafael122 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I'm not sure I buy this argument. The Royals spent $55 million on Gil Meche. Teams have money to spend, its that they chose not to spend it or they spend it on the wrong players. Meche is not a $10 million per year pitcher.
The way I felt on this (and still do) is that the Royals, due to financial limitations, do have to use money and overpay mediocre players. Obviously, a better option would be to sign cheaper players, but what good/cheaper players are looking to come to KC? Basically what I'm saying is, a salary cap for baseball would level the playing field, but the free market really restricts teams from ever pulling themselves out of hell.
Parity is oddly defined by Selig, as he sees that its ok that teams like say, Colorado, have to wallow through loads of crap before seeing the playoffs again, whereas the recoil in the NFL/NHL/NBA is much faster.
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 12:12 pm
by 34Celtic
Colorado has a team full of young talent, I think its safe to say they will be right there the next few years. Much like Detroit this year.
Re: Selig: "My dream of parity is coming closer..."
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 12:49 pm
by Basketball Jesus
510Reggae wrote:
A fool's dream that is impossible to achieve.
That
Re: Selig: "My dream of parity is coming closer..."
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 1:03 pm
by Basketball Jesus
510Reggae wrote:The way I felt on this (and still do) is that the Royals, due to financial limitations, do have to use money and overpay mediocre players.
No they don't. Neither Selig nor Boras have snipers on the roofs of buildings around Kaufmann stadium trained on David Glass
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:25 pm
by FNQ
If the Yankees, Mets or Red Sox have a down season, or something doesn't work out, what do they do? They go out, spend exboritant amounts of money to improve themselves and be ready for next year. Some teams can make moderate moves, and then there's the dregs - Devil Rays, Marlins, Pirates, Royals, Nats... no team is going to want to sign with them for the same amount as another team. They remain farm teams for most other clubs.
So the Meche signings and Grudzielanek signings - are they overspending? KC's new GM, Dayton Moore, instead is showing players that they could get compensated extremely well to come to KC, even though their budget is extremely limited.
Just because a team chose to sign a player to a large contract or because salaries for top players are increasing doesn
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 6:14 pm
by Basketball Jesus
Again, you
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 7:09 pm
by FNQ
I'm shocked a Boston fan would agree that there is parity
Despite
your rant, you ignore the fundamental problem - payroll is for the most part dictated by population density. The Yankees, Mets, Angels, Dodgers... they will get more money than the midwestern teams and therefore, regardless of whether or not these teams spend their full potential of their budget, an advantage. In comparison, why don't the afformentioned teams have to do that? Because their budget and profit level is much higher due to where they are located.
Parity is equality, and that is not equality. Just because having great personnel could level the playing field is not equality at all.
Posted: Thu Oct 4, 2007 7:57 pm
by Basketball Jesus
510Reggae wrote:I'm shocked a Boston fan would agree that there is parity :roll:
What does my fan allegiance have to do with anything? I