B. Jays and Cards discussing Glaus for Rolen swap

Moderator: TyCobb

A.J.
Banned User
Posts: 12,072
And1: 1
Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Location: Houston(University of Houston in 2009)

B. Jays and Cards discussing Glaus for Rolen swap 

Post#1 » by A.J. » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:20 pm

User avatar
bigboy1234
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,116
And1: 7
Joined: May 29, 2006

 

Post#2 » by bigboy1234 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:13 pm

I'm pretty sure it's official.

what is with the NL central?

???
SportsWorld
RealGM
Posts: 51,601
And1: 133
Joined: Dec 03, 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Contact:
       

Re: B. Jays and Cards discussing Glaus for Rolen swap 

Post#3 » by SportsWorld » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:49 pm

Good move for the Cardinals. Won't make a difference this season but in a few years they will have a really good offense.
User avatar
bigboy1234
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,116
And1: 7
Joined: May 29, 2006

 

Post#4 » by bigboy1234 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:01 pm

SportsWorld wrote:Good move for the Cardinals. Won't make a difference this season but in a few years they will have a really good offense.

No they won't. Pujols and the guy in the sig can only do so much.

Hopefully Glaus has a huge first half and the Cards trade him at the deadline for prospects though. The Cards could potentially save 23M in this deal.
SportsWorld
RealGM
Posts: 51,601
And1: 133
Joined: Dec 03, 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Contact:
       

 

Post#5 » by SportsWorld » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:05 pm

bigboy1234 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


No they won't. Pujols and the guy in the sig can only do so much.

Hopefully Glaus has a huge first half and the Cards trade him at the deadline for prospects though. The Cards could potentially save 23M in this deal.

I didn't realize Glaus was 31 years old already. I thought he was in his late 20's so yeah a deadline trade would be great for you guys. I'm thinking it's a good deal for you guys because you got rid of a guy that wanted out and got a pretty good baseball player in return. I know Troy Glaus is injury-prone but if he is healthy he could put up 30 home runs this year.
User avatar
Da Schwab
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 33,823
And1: 3,619
Joined: Apr 19, 2005
Location: Somewhere in the between.
Contact:
       

 

Post#6 » by Da Schwab » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:29 pm

I really don't see how this benefits the Jays in any way. They do want to catch the Sawx and Yanks, right?
risktaker91
Banned User
Posts: 2,487
And1: 0
Joined: Apr 18, 2007

 

Post#7 » by risktaker91 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:18 pm

Both players are injury prone, one is better offensively and one is better defensively. That being said, I would've rather kept Glaus.
treyZz
Banned User
Posts: 5,326
And1: 0
Joined: Feb 18, 2006

 

Post#8 » by treyZz » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:51 pm

This makes no sense for Toronto IMO.
User avatar
heemer
Veteran
Posts: 2,538
And1: 14
Joined: Apr 14, 2002

 

Post#9 » by heemer » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:10 am

Both players seem to be equally injury prone at this point so we can disregard that for now. Really, the Jays are giving up power for BA and infield D. With St. Louis sending some $$ Torontos way, its a pretty decent deal for each team, but i dont think improves either all that much in total.

My feeling is that the Jays were looking to shake up the lineup a little considering the main pieces are all back from last year and many of those players had disappointing years at the plate. The added D at 3B makes the Jays an incredible (probably the best) feilding team in the league (with the exception of Catcher). And finally, the extra $ the Jays get in the deal could be spent immediatly to bring in another piece before the season starts. Theyre still in the market for a legit starter and so now have room to take on more salary in a potential trade, or scrounge up a depth option through free agency.
User avatar
bigboy1234
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,116
And1: 7
Joined: May 29, 2006

 

Post#10 » by bigboy1234 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:12 am

risktaker91 wrote:Both players are injury prone, one is better offensively and one is better defensively. That being said, I would've rather kept Glaus.

Actually a healthy Rolen is better offensively but you may never see a fully healed Rolen again. Thats the risk JP took.
User avatar
Schad
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 58,393
And1: 17,925
Joined: Feb 08, 2006
Location: The Goat Rodeo
     

 

Post#11 » by Schad » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:18 am

Well, Toronto has made a concerted effort to build around pitching and defense, so I suppose this makes a little sense in that regard. But the Jays will have to win a tonne of 3-2 ballgames to stay in the Wild Card race through September...
Image
**** your asterisk.
A.J.
Banned User
Posts: 12,072
And1: 1
Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Location: Houston(University of Houston in 2009)

 

Post#12 » by A.J. » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:42 am

this could be a potential steal for the cardinals, if you think glaus hit well at skydome, imagine how he will hit at the new bucsh.
SportsWorld
RealGM
Posts: 51,601
And1: 133
Joined: Dec 03, 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Contact:
       

 

Post#13 » by SportsWorld » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:31 am

A.J. wrote:this could be a potential steal for the cardinals, if you think glaus hit well at skydome, imagine how he will hit at the new bucsh.

Not good since Busch Stadium is one of the worst home run parks in baseball and Rogers Centre is one of the best.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/par ... eason=2007
nesta
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,986
And1: 242
Joined: Jun 20, 2005

 

Post#14 » by nesta » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:09 am

gunnabdaschwab09 wrote:I really don't see how this benefits the Jays in any way. They do want to catch the Sawx and Yanks, right?


trading a steroid user for a gold glove. But Rolen probably used __________________(fill in)
User avatar
raps4life~
General Manager
Posts: 7,664
And1: 25
Joined: Mar 13, 2007
Location: California
       

 

Post#15 » by raps4life~ » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:42 pm

i like this deal for the jays. glaus just could not play on the fake turf anf it felt like he was out every other game. rolen may be as oft-injured but i think a change of sceneries might help these guys out.

the jays are definetly shaping into one of the best defensive teams in the league.

1B - Overbay
2B - Hill
SS - Eckstein
3B - Rolen
OF - Johnson
OF - Wells
OF - Rios
C - Zaun

only weak spot there is the catcher position.
User avatar
SDM
RealGM
Posts: 19,555
And1: 954
Joined: Jan 08, 2004
 

 

Post#16 » by SDM » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:03 pm

It allows us to play Eckstein more. While he's not an ideal leadoff hitter, he's better than Johnson for the role.
User avatar
Buck You
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 37,555
And1: 541
Joined: Jul 24, 2006
Location: Illinois
     

 

Post#17 » by Buck You » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:42 pm

SportsWorld wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


Not good since Busch Stadium is one of the worst home run parks in baseball and Rogers Centre is one of the best.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/par ... eason=2007


:lol: :lol:
User avatar
Da Schwab
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 33,823
And1: 3,619
Joined: Apr 19, 2005
Location: Somewhere in the between.
Contact:
       

 

Post#18 » by Da Schwab » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:49 pm

raps4life~ wrote:i like this deal for the jays. glaus just could not play on the fake turf anf it felt like he was out every other game. rolen may be as oft-injured but i think a change of sceneries might help these guys out.

the jays are definetly shaping into one of the best defensive teams in the league.

1B - Overbay
2B - Hill
SS - Eckstein
3B - Rolen
OF - Johnson
OF - Wells
OF - Rios
C - Zaun

only weak spot there is the catcher position.


You need to take into consideration replacing McDonald with X, thats a downgrade in my book.
User avatar
heemer
Veteran
Posts: 2,538
And1: 14
Joined: Apr 14, 2002

 

Post#19 » by heemer » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:03 am

Glaus just didnt seem at all reliable last season. he was out day to day all through the season and didnt seem to deliver any clutch hits. JP is certainly leaning on Frank Thomas, Vernon and Rios for power, but if they all have decent seasons the Jays arent bad off in that department. Esp since Rolen, Overbay have a little pop in their bats too.

Anyway, im excited about this deal for the Jays if for no other reason than for a bit of a shakeup
kloo7
Freshman
Posts: 50
And1: 0
Joined: Aug 13, 2006

 

Post#20 » by kloo7 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:29 pm

The Jays will send the Cardinals 1.8 million as part of the deal, not Toronto getting money as many would have thought.

Return to The General MLB Board