Per Buster Olney, Halladay "trade me before the season"

VinnyTheMick · Post #1 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Tue Dec 1, 2009 12:54 pm

Buster was on Mike & Mike about 45 minutes ago & said that Halladay has let the Blue Jays know that if he is not traded before the start of the season then he will exercise his no trade clause & just play out the season in T Dot. Pulling a Johan it seems.

Thoughts?

Dr Positivity · Post #2 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Dec 1, 2009 7:42 pm

Bye Roy. Wish we could've put a better team around you

Relentless88 · Post #3 » by **Relentless88** » Wed Dec 2, 2009 5:07 am

They day you leave Doc, they day I leave.

Post #4 » by **Schad** » Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:28 pm

VinnyTheMick wrote:Buster was on Mike & Mike about 45 minutes ago & said that Halladay has let the Blue Jays know that if he is not traded before the start of the season then he will exercise his no trade clause & just play out the season in T Dot. Pulling a Johan it seems.

Thoughts?

It was his agent that made the statement...the consensus is that it was primarily a ploy to get this done quickly, and that he'll probably accept a trade later, if it came to that.

CentralQB5 · Post #5 » by **CentralQB5** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 2:14 am

GO TO BOSTON!!!!!!!!!!

VinnyTheMick · Post #6 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 2:58 am

SI's Jon Heyman on his twitter today:

"#yankees decided they will bid on halladay. tor wants some combo of hughes, joba, a-jax and montero. #redsox have best chance, tho"

http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman

I don't think the Yankees do the deal in all honesty.

Dr Positivity · Post #7 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 5:48 pm

Hughes, Joba AND Montero? No way Yankees do that. My guess is they give up one of those guys + lesser prospects

cold5 · Post #8 » by **cold5** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 6:01 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:Hughes, Joba AND Montero? No way Yankees do that. My guess is they give up one of those guys + lesser prospects

And why do Blue Jays do it now? Red Sox have a better system than Yanks anyways and would offer a better package than that.

Post #9 » by **sunshinekids99** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 6:18 pm

I'm don't know how much better an offer the Sox could give then Hughes, Joba, and Montero. That's a lot IMO.

cold5 · Post #10 » by **cold5** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:28 pm

sunshinekids99 wrote:I'm don't know how much better an offer the Sox could give then Hughes, Joba, and Montero. That's a lot IMO.

I meant as opposed to the deal of one those guys with lesser prospects that Dr. Mufasa proposed. Hughes, Joba, and Montero is a pretty good package.

VinnyTheMick · Post #11 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:47 pm

cold5 wrote: Red Sox have a better system than Yanks anyways and would offer a better package than that.

I always hear red sox & espn say this....

Post #12 » by **sunshinekids99** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 4:18 am

Well it's pretty obvious that they have a better farm system.

Wade2k6 · Post #13 » by **Wade2k6** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 10:21 pm

Let the Red Sox get desperate and give their whole farm system for Halladay. I don't think the Yankees should give up Montero, Hughes, and Joba. That is too much, even for a player of Hallday's caliber. They have the money, just wait an off-season and sign a top flight pitcher outright when the FA market looks much better.

Post #14 » by **sunshinekids99** » Tue Dec 8, 2009 4:07 am

I don't think the Sox open up their farm system unless they get a guy like Hanley Ramirez, King Felix, or Adrian Gonzalez. The guy would have to be younger than Halladay. Now I'm sure they have no problem offering what they feel is a fair offer for him tho.

Post #15 » by **studcrackers** » Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:35 am

Relentless88 wrote:They day you leave Doc, they day I leave.

cold5 · Post #16 » by **cold5** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:33 am

A major league source tells Bastian that Halladay might waive his not-trade clause to join the Angels.

7:19pm: The Angels have made an offer, according to Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun. They'd give up Joe Saunders, Erick Aybar and Peter Bourjos for Halladay. Saunders and Aybar are set to become free agents after 2012. Halladay, of course, would have to approve any deal, but one unnamed executive implies the Angels believe Halladay would accept.
Wow. That's a pretty decent offer. If someone else doesn't counter with something very good , Angels you'd think will wind up with them.

Post #17 » by **HCYanks** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:50 am

If the Blue Jays seriously take that deal i'm going to lose all my AL East rich man's guilt and curse them to the league basement for all of eternity. Some day people will figure out that Joe Saunders isn't very good. Some day.

cold5 · Post #18 » by **cold5** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:08 am

HCYanks wrote:If the Blue Jays seriously take that deal i'm going to lose all my AL East rich man's guilt and curse them to the league basement for all of eternity. Some day people will figure out that Joe Saunders isn't very good. Some day.

Considering this is coming from Toronto and they were pretty detailed in the article, I'd say it's looking possible. What's your beef with Saunders? He's more established as a starter than Joba, Hughes, or Buchholz.
What about newly-signed Alex Gonzalez with the arrival of Aybar?

Well, Gonzalez, signed to a one-year $2.75 million contract, with an option at $2.5 million for 2011, would be dealt.

For the second day in succession the Angels are the lead team in the chase for Halladay, a year away from free agency

And unless someone steps up with a better offer could the Angels wind up with Halladay? Will Halladay report to a west coast team which has spring training in Arizona?

“Let me ask you this,” said one major league executive, “do you think that the Angels would be running through hoops, having one conversation after another with the Jays and not know whether Halladay would report to Los Angeles?”

Good point.

The Angels are also in on free agents John Lackey, Jason Bay and Matt Holliday.

The New York Yankees moved prime prospect centre fielder Austin Jackson to add dynamic centre fielder Curtis Granderson and still have interest in Halladay. The Jays are said to want catching prospect Jesus Montero, who turned 20 last month. Montero hit .377 as a teen-ager with 17 homers and 70 RBIs at Single-A Tampa and Double-A Trenton.

Some talent evaluators say they do not think Montero will catch in the big leagues, but most agree he will hit and compare his numbers -- 28 walks, 47 strikeouts in 387 at-bats -- to that of a young Albert Pujols.

If the Yanks decide to part with a second prospect in a week, then the Jays have to decide if a package of either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, plus Montero is better than Saunders, Aybar and Bourjos, plus a prospect the Jays may get in return for Gonzalez.

So it looks like Halladay will be moved soon?

Let’s check with agent Scott Boras.

“I’ve been at this a long time,” said Boras. “It’s a general rule that you may give up money but you don’t give up players. Or you may attach players but you don’t give up money. There aren’t situations where teams give up both because it’s entirely too costly.

“My clients talk about Halladay and say the same. He’s hard to feel confident against him. You realize the respect the team has for him and you understand the value they’re going to require to trade him.

“I don’t see with a year to go a club could satisfy what Toronto should demand. I think that would be a very, very unlikely event.”

The balls remain in the air.
I'd say if the Angels made an offer of Saunders, Bourjos, Aybar, Fabio Martinez, and Carlos Ramirez they definitely get Halladay.

Post #19 » by **HCYanks** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:37 am

Considering this is coming from Toronto and they were pretty detailed in the article, I'd say it's looking possible. What's your beef with Saunders? He's more established as a starter than Joba, Hughes, or Buchholz.

I wouldn't want Saunders as anything more than a fourth starter. He may be more "established", but he's also way less talented than any of those three guys. Aybar is probably the most valuable piece in that offer, and he's more of a nice player to be able to plug in at shortstop than any kind of star. Unless i'm missing something Bourjos looks like another TOOLSY centerfielder that probably won't amount to more than an okay starter unless his hitting really starts to take off.

It's not a wretched package, I like it a bit better than what the Twins got for Santana. It's just frustrating that the Angels might once again get someone to buy into their player hype while the Yankees are getting demands of Montero/Joba/Hughes packages. I know the latter two have some things to work out but their ceilings are way higher than anyone in the Angel offer.

cold5 · Post #20 » by **cold5** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:38 am

HCYanks wrote:
Considering this is coming from Toronto and they were pretty detailed in the article, I'd say it's looking possible. What's your beef with Saunders? He's more established as a starter than Joba, Hughes, or Buchholz.

I wouldn't want Saunders as anything more than a fourth starter. He may be more "established", but he's also way less talented than any of those three guys. Aybar is probably the most valuable piece in that offer, and he's more of a nice player to be able to plug in at shortstop than any kind of star. Unless i'm missing something Bourjos looks like another TOOLSY centerfielder that probably won't amount to more than an okay starter unless his hitting really starts to take off.

It's not a wretched package, I like it a bit better than what the Twins got for Santana. It's just frustrating that the Angels might once again get someone to buy into their player hype while the Yankees are getting demands of Montero/Joba/Hughes packages. I know the latter two have some things to work out but their ceilings are way higher than anyone in the Angel offer.

one competing gm on angels' reported offer for #halladay of saunders, aybar & bourjos: "(jays) should take it.'' This from Jon Heyman twitter. Unfortunately for Red Sox, Dodgers or Yankee fans it looks like there's a decent possibility Jays might take this offer.