Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons?

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Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#1 » by bluejerseyjinx » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:13 pm

Philadelphia, Detroit, Green Bay, Washington and Buffalo are all currently playoff teams with a record of 48-17. Are the diva WR's making owners and GM's regret making them the front line stars of the offense?
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Philadelphia, Detroit, Green Bay, Washington and Buffalo are all currently playoff teams with a record of 48-17. Are the diva WR's making owners and GM's regret making them the front line stars of the offense?

What do you those teams have in common?

A good OL.

Having a stud RB helps. But it won't matter if you aren't sound upfront. The Eagles & Lions arguably have the best OL's.

The Hawks have two good backs in Walker & Charbonnet. But have struggled to run the ball all season consistently. Because the line has been one of the worst units. Which has held them back.
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#3 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:12 pm

A better question would be what position (group) is the most undervalued?

I would argue that Off ball linebacker is the most undervalued by fans imo. They can make or break a defense. Poor LB play is a bad recipe.
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#4 » by El Turco » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:14 pm

It is cyclical too, there are boatloads of talented receivers coming up thru the draft every year. As the market saturates salaries of receivers will drop and better athletes will want to play other positions.
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#5 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:18 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:A better question would be what position (group) is the most undervalued?

I would argue that Off ball linebacker is the most undervalued by fans imo. They can make or break a defense. Poor LB play is a bad recipe.

If your statement about OL is true, (and I think it mostly is) then it is Guard that is most undervalued.


Also "value" needs a definition, because linebackers of all types get paid. Runningbacks and guards do not, so in the literal sense RBs and Gs are undervalued.
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#6 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:22 pm

RBs definitely have the worst pay situation in the league, because their prime years are during their rookie deal. And then no one wants them unless they are top-5 elite.

And then on top of that they are subjected most to CTE.

Been saying this for years now, the league needs to adjust things for them. They should be an exception to the rookie cap, or if a player is designated a "RB" their rookie deal should be only 2 years instead of 4 or something like that.
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#7 » by hermes » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:28 am

Micah Prescott wrote:RBs definitely have the worst pay situation in the league, because their prime years are during their rookie deal. And then no one wants them unless they are top-5 elite.

And then on top of that they are subjected most to CTE.

Been saying this for years now, the league needs to adjust things for them. They should be an exception to the rookie cap, or if a player is designated a "RB" their rookie deal should be only 2 years instead of 4 or something like that.

wide receivers would try to call themselves running backs if that were the case to get a better deal earlier on too
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#8 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:38 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Philadelphia, Detroit, Green Bay, Washington and Buffalo are all currently playoff teams with a record of 48-17. Are the diva WR's making owners and GM's regret making them the front line stars of the offense?

What do you those teams have in common?

A good OL.

Having a stud RB helps. But it won't matter if you aren't sound upfront. The Eagles & Lions arguably have the best OL's.

The Hawks have two good backs in Walker & Charbonnet. But have struggled to run the ball all season consistently. Because the line has been one of the worst units. Which has held them back.

Well, don't you also have to have a good O-line to have a good passing game? Otherwise you will get sacked a million times a season and throw a ton of picks.
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#9 » by Micah Prescott » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:57 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:RBs definitely have the worst pay situation in the league, because their prime years are during their rookie deal. And then no one wants them unless they are top-5 elite.

And then on top of that they are subjected most to CTE.

Been saying this for years now, the league needs to adjust things for them. They should be an exception to the rookie cap, or if a player is designated a "RB" their rookie deal should be only 2 years instead of 4 or something like that.

wide receivers would try to call themselves running backs if that were the case to get a better deal earlier on too

Well they would have to actually run the ball as their primary role to qualify.

I mean, maybe my suggestion isn't the best, but I do think something along those lines should happen.
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#10 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:18 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Philadelphia, Detroit, Green Bay, Washington and Buffalo are all currently playoff teams with a record of 48-17. Are the diva WR's making owners and GM's regret making them the front line stars of the offense?

What do you those teams have in common?

A good OL.

Having a stud RB helps. But it won't matter if you aren't sound upfront. The Eagles & Lions arguably have the best OL's.

The Hawks have two good backs in Walker & Charbonnet. But have struggled to run the ball all season consistently. Because the line has been one of the worst units. Which has held them back.

Well, don't you also have to have a good O-line to have a good passing game? Otherwise you will get sacked a million times a season and throw a ton of picks.

Geno is 2nd in passing yards behind Burrow this year because they've struggled to run the ball.

Yes, you need a good line to be successful, run & pass. But without a run game, it puts more pressure on the QB & the passing game.

Walker & Charbonnet typically have to make their yards after contact.

Geno is also pressured at a fairly high rate.

So, the Hawks OL has been poor in both run & pass blocking. Which is a credit to Geno, really. Because he's had to carry the load.
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#11 » by hermes » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:26 pm

linemen can be good at different things, just because you are good at run blocking doesn't mean you are also good at pass blocking

and you can work around bad olines and still be reasonably successful. moving the pocket, quick throws, etc can mitigate bad pass protection
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Re: Is it a mistake we have been under valueing RB's the past few seasons? 

Post#12 » by breezypeezy » Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:05 am

Give me monster Tackles and multi-skilled RB's first and the ball control Drives that keeps my Defense fresh and the other guys Offense on the side line.
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