Where do you have Roger Staubach rated in your all-time NFL QB list?

[QB_Eagles]

Roger played against defensive lineman who averaged 50 lbs less. I mean think about that.

What difference does that make? They were allowed to him a lot harder than today.

We all like to pretend our childhood favs are the greatest, and those days were the best. But it's only because back then we had a child's brain.

Doesn't that apply to you since the best Cowboys QB you watched live is Dak Prescott?

[Micah Prescott]

Roger played against defensive lineman who averaged 50 lbs less. I mean think about that.

What difference does that make? They were allowed to him a lot harder than today.

First off it's not all about him being hit. Roger played during a time when everyone was much smaller and slower, and schemes were primitive. I mean, go play a game of Madden and jack your opponents size and speed down. It's a hell of a lot easier to play and there are no real hits.

But second, QBs today still take sacks. Go watch an Ndamukong Suh or Albert Haynesworth sack compilation.

[Micah Prescott]

The rule changes that really affected QBs wasn't about them being hit, it's about what DBs could do to WRs back then. That is the major difference.

[Mr B]

It's the same with the NBA, put any 70s NBA team in today's 3-ball game and they would get obliterated. The game has evolved so much. And the NFL has evolved more than that. Roger's playbook is a child's book compared to today's schemes.

And while athletes like Wilt would still be elite today, there is no way he puts up 100 in today's league. That can only be done vs the weak league he faced.

Again, it would come down to what rules are being applied. Do you honestly think a guy like SGA would be able to get freely in the lane repeatedly again the Detroit Bad Boys? He’d catch a few elbows to the neck and start thinking twice. Luka would never be able to play because he’d be complaining to the refs even more than he does now.

Detroit Boys was 90s ball. Again, same with NFL, that is when things started to flat line, even out. I can look at the Jordan Bulls and think they could compete today. I can look at the 90s Cowboys and say "Larry Allen was the same size as players today, Deion was just as fast, etc".

But the 70s? No. Golden State would rain 3s on them the whole game, there would be no answer to it at all. Even with their rules, no 3-point shot, they would still rain outside shots for an easy win. Today's teams are so much more efficient when it comes to moving the ball around the perimeter and finding an open man. And to be honest I think today's style of play would also dominate the 90s Pistons. The NBA mathematically found the most efficient way to rack up points, and it isn't by driving for a dunk.

Roger played against defensive lineman who averaged 50 lbs less. I mean think about that. No rules can make up for that. Today's teams against that would be like putting a high school team up against a middle school team. It's not the same. The talent pool is 10x bigger and it is all kids that grew up with advanced training.

We all like to pretend our childhood favs are the greatest, and those days were the best. But it's only because back then we had a child's brain. In reality, today's game is far superior. Go watch some old 70s Cowboys games, it's a boring watch compared to today's game. Lots of simple runs up the middle, not as much passing, not as much creativity, not as much speed.

Again, it would come down to what rules are they playing by? Are players allowed to defend the 3 the way Bruce Bowen did? Just stand under the shooter. They would have several Golden State players leaving the game with ankle injuries. . Not to mention teams could hand check. Golden State isn’t putting up that many clean shots playing against 80’s defenses or even 70’s defense. A punch in the face was common foul. Lol

[Mr B]

Roger played against defensive lineman who averaged 50 lbs less. I mean think about that.

What difference does that make? They were allowed to him a lot harder than today.

First off it's not all about him being hit. Roger played during a time when everyone was much smaller and slower, and schemes were primitive. I mean, go play a game of Madden and jack your opponents size and speed down. It's a hell of a lot easier to play and there are no real hits.

But second, QBs today still take sacks. Go watch an Ndamukong Suh or Albert Haynesworth sack compilation.

Go watch video of Jack Tatum and tell me Dak would still be putting up 4,000 yard season. They would literally try to take Dak’s head off. And it wouldn’t be called a personal foul, just a common roughing penalty if any penalty was called at all.

[Mr B]

The rule changes that really affected QBs wasn't about them being hit, it's about what DBs could do to WRs back then. That is the major difference.

False. QB’s are not allowed to be hit below the waist or above the shoulders. Hell you can’t even land on the QB now without getting a personal foul called.

[Micah Prescott]

The rule changes that really affected QBs wasn't about them being hit, it's about what DBs could do to WRs back then. That is the major difference.

False. QB’s are not allowed to be hit below the waist or above the shoulders. Hell you can’t even land on the QB now without getting a personal foul called.

There have been numerous defensive WR added through years starting with the Mel Blount rule, 1978. Far more than roughing calls which basically just try to get the defender to hit the QB in the mid section rather than the head/legs. Dak is still sacked just as much as Roger was, just his sacks are weaker hits by larger players. But the pass is effected the same.

DBs can't hit WRs at all now, like anywhere. That was the major rule change. Used to be when a WR went up middle he could get killed. Now the middle of the field is open.


But the biggest reason the league went pass happy isn't even because of rule changes, but because college football evolved to be pass happy. So there were way more QBs coming into the league that could throw the ball. During Roger's time it was a lot of handing to the RB in college. Football was much more about your workhorse RB. Today workhorse RBs are going extinct.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Roger played against defensive lineman who averaged 50 lbs less. I mean think about that.

What difference does that make? They were allowed to him a lot harder than today.

We all like to pretend our childhood favs are the greatest, and those days were the best. But it's only because back then we had a child's brain.

Doesn't that apply to you since the best Cowboys QB you watched live is Dak Prescott?

[bluejerseyjinx]

Below Benny Friedman above Sid Luckman

Soar loser. Your just upset Your team couldn't beat Staubach and lost to him in 3 straight playoff games.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Roger Staubach is #1 on MY ALL TIME LIST !!!!!!!!!!

I bet that list looks like dead sea scrolls

Speaking of the dead sea scrolls, how is John Brodie doing these days?

[El Turco]

Roger Staubach is #1 on MY ALL TIME LIST !!!!!!!!!!

I bet that list looks like dead sea scrolls

Speaking of the dead sea scrolls, how is John Brodie doing these days?

Who?

[El Turco]

Below Benny Friedman above Sid Luckman

Soar loser. Your just upset Your team couldn't beat Staubach and lost to him in 3 straight playoff games.

I would be upset if I could read the dead sea scrolls

[john4psu]

IIRC, When Brodie retired, he was the third in passing yardage in NFL history. When Herschel Walker retired, he was third in total yards in NFL history.

[Mr B]

Roger Staubach is #1 on MY ALL TIME LIST !!!!!!!!!!

I bet that list looks like dead sea scrolls

Speaking of the dead sea scrolls, how is John Brodie doing these days?

He was great in the Pianist.

[Otis Driftwood]

He’s still in my Top 10… but I’m a bit biased.

And - he is one of “those” guys who would have flourished in today’s offenses... especially with his scrambling skills.

[bluejerseyjinx]

The rule changes that really affected QBs wasn't about them being hit, it's about what DBs could do to WRs back then. That is the major difference.

False. QB’s are not allowed to be hit below the waist or above the shoulders. Hell you can’t even land on the QB now without getting a personal foul called.

There have been numerous defensive WR added through years starting with the Mel Blount rule, 1978. Far more than roughing calls which basically just try to get the defender to hit the QB in the mid section rather than the head/legs. Dak is still sacked just as much as Roger was, just his sacks are weaker hits by larger players. But the pass is effected the same.

DBs can't hit WRs at all now, like anywhere. That was the major rule change. Used to be when a WR went up middle he could get killed. Now the middle of the field is open.


But the biggest reason the league went pass happy isn't even because of rule changes, but because college football evolved to be pass happy. So there were way more QBs coming into the league that could throw the ball. During Roger's time it was a lot of handing to the RB in college. Football was much more about your workhorse RB. Today workhorse RBs are going extinct.

You sure about that? Barkley and the Egals, Henry and the Ravens and McCaffery of the Niners seem to thrive just fine when healthy. From the late 60's to early 90's, all of the Cowboys most successful seasons can be attributed to its running game. I;ve been telling you for 9 years running now the Cowboys are not going to a super bowl ever with Dak having throw 40+ passes per game.

[Micah Prescott]

False. QB’s are not allowed to be hit below the waist or above the shoulders. Hell you can’t even land on the QB now without getting a personal foul called.

There have been numerous defensive WR added through years starting with the Mel Blount rule, 1978. Far more than roughing calls which basically just try to get the defender to hit the QB in the mid section rather than the head/legs. Dak is still sacked just as much as Roger was, just his sacks are weaker hits by larger players. But the pass is effected the same.

DBs can't hit WRs at all now, like anywhere. That was the major rule change. Used to be when a WR went up middle he could get killed. Now the middle of the field is open.


But the biggest reason the league went pass happy isn't even because of rule changes, but because college football evolved to be pass happy. So there were way more QBs coming into the league that could throw the ball. During Roger's time it was a lot of handing to the RB in college. Football was much more about your workhorse RB. Today workhorse RBs are going extinct.

You sure about that? Barkley and the Egals, Henry and the Ravens and McCaffery of the Niners seem to thrive just fine when healthy. From the late 60's to early 90's, all of the Cowboys most successful seasons can be attributed to its running game. I;ve been telling you for 9 years running now the Cowboys are not going to a super bowl ever with Dak having throw 40+ passes per game.

Last year there was a revitalization of workhorse runners yes. But today's QBs are still asked to do way more than yesterday's.

You quoted something I posted a long time ago, but IIRC the reason I posted that was to simply say that "rule changes" aren't to blame for everything. The game and the way we play it has just evolved. And it started with college football passing more. Back in the day college QBs just handed the rock off to elite runners. So entering the NFL there was not a huge selection of elite passers to draft. Today? That isn't the case any more. College QBs are throwing now. The game evolved.

Just like the NBA it evolved to be 3-point heavy. The NFL evolved to be pass heavy. *SOME* of it was rule changes. But a lot of it was just teams figuring out that it is more effective.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Everyone has always had to play by the rules regardless of which time period we are talking about. The issue for me is the Jerry Jones era Cowboys are not very good at evolving. Ownership, GM, Head coach and front office has never been weaker. They look totally stupid to be honest.

[john4psu]

He's had some good teams but QBs like Romo and Prescott weren't good enough in the post-season.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Roger played against defensive lineman who averaged 50 lbs less. I mean think about that.

What difference does that make? They were allowed to him a lot harder than today.

We all like to pretend our childhood favs are the greatest, and those days were the best. But it's only because back then we had a child's brain.

Doesn't that apply to you since the best Cowboys QB you watched live is Dak Prescott?