2025 Draft thread

[Mr B]

I will say this, looking at the brand new 2026 mock draft that ESPN just put out.

Wow if the draft ends up anywhere near like that mock draft. Im praying Minnesota doesnt have a down year. Cade Klubnik as the #1 pick? I was high on him coming out of high school, I bought the hype. But my god has he looked rough at Clemson so far.

Im already looking forward to the 2027 draft. That's where the freaks are at. Jeremiah Smith, Ryan Williams, Dylan Stewart, KJ Bolden, Koi Perich, throw in Arch if he doesnt leave after this year.

After watching more film on these guys, it's Drew Allar. Assuming he plays well this year, he'll be picked early.

Arch is getting most of the hype. But he's only started 2 games. It sounds like he'll stay in school for another year.

The rest of the QB class though is pretty rough.

Sellers (South Carolina) is getting a bunch of hype. But similar to Richardson, his play is like a car crash.

Nussmeier is an older prospect with a lower ceiling.

Whereas the 2027 class should have Arch, DJ Lagway & the kid from Nebraska.

Yea from my early understanding there will be about 5 high drafted QB’s in this class and Arch is only the 2nd or 3rd ranked QB prospect. He has everything but the starting experience.

I could see this draft playing out like Peyton’s draft. Another QB may have more of the physical tools but Arch will be the safer pick.

[Cactus Jack]

After watching more film on these guys, it's Drew Allar. Assuming he plays well this year, he'll be picked early.

Arch is getting most of the hype. But he's only started 2 games. It sounds like he'll stay in school for another year.

The rest of the QB class though is pretty rough.

Sellers (South Carolina) is getting a bunch of hype. But similar to Richardson, his play is like a car crash.

Nussmeier is an older prospect with a lower ceiling.

Whereas the 2027 class should have Arch, DJ Lagway & the kid from Nebraska.

Yea from my early understanding there will be about 5 high drafted QB’s in this class and Arch is only the 2nd or 3rd ranked QB prospect. He has everything but the starting experience.

I could see this draft playing out like Peyton’s draft. Another QB may have more of the physical tools but Arch will be the safer pick.

Arch does not necessarily fall under "safe pick". Yeah, he's getting the most hype because of his last name. But he's only started 2 games in college. If he lives up to the hype, then he'll certainly be a high draft pick. But he still has to play well as a full-time starter. There just isn't enough film on him yet. One year of starting experience is not enough. That's why he should stay for another year.

Drew Allar is the safer pick because he's been a starter at Penn State for 2 years. He also seems to be improving as he made a jump in his 2nd year as a starter. He's the same age as Arch but with more experience. After doing a deeper dive, I was impressed with his film. Especially this past season. That's why he's likely the favorite to be the first QB taken next year.

Garrett Nussmeier (LSU) is 2 years older & has a lower ceiling than both Arch & Allar. Most are projecting him as the 3rd guy. But he's not a great NFL prospect in my eyes.

Cade Klubnik (Clemson) was highly recruited out of high school but has been underwhelming in college. What stood out on film, is that he struggles to throw with anticipation.

LaNorris Sellers (South Carolina) is the Anthony Richardson of QB's in college. Super raw but also a great athlete. He's being overhyped, much like Richardson was at the time. His tape is all over the place. Some good, but it was mostly a train wreck.

Those are the top 5 consensus guys. But Drew Allar is the top guy imo if you exclude Arch.

[Mr B]

After watching more film on these guys, it's Drew Allar. Assuming he plays well this year, he'll be picked early.

Arch is getting most of the hype. But he's only started 2 games. It sounds like he'll stay in school for another year.

The rest of the QB class though is pretty rough.

Sellers (South Carolina) is getting a bunch of hype. But similar to Richardson, his play is like a car crash.

Nussmeier is an older prospect with a lower ceiling.

Whereas the 2027 class should have Arch, DJ Lagway & the kid from Nebraska.

Yea from my early understanding there will be about 5 high drafted QB’s in this class and Arch is only the 2nd or 3rd ranked QB prospect. He has everything but the starting experience.

I could see this draft playing out like Peyton’s draft. Another QB may have more of the physical tools but Arch will be the safer pick.

Arch does not necessarily fall under "safe pick". Yeah, he's getting the most hype because of his last name. But he's only started 2 games in college. If he lives up to the hype, then he'll certainly be a high draft pick. But he still has to play well as a full-time starter. There just isn't enough film on him yet. One year of starting experience is not enough. That's why he should stay for another year.

Drew Allar is the safer pick because he's been a starter at Penn State for 2 years. He also seems to be improving as he made a jump in his 2nd year as a starter. He's the same age as Arch but with more experience. After doing a deeper dive, I was impressed with his film. Especially this past season. That's why he's likely the favorite to be the first QB taken next year.

Garrett Nussmeier (LSU) is 2 years older & has a lower ceiling than both Arch & Allar. Most are projecting him as the 3rd guy. But he's not a great NFL prospect in my eyes.

Cade Klubnik (Clemson) was highly recruited out of high school but has been underwhelming in college. What stood out on film, is that he struggles to throw with anticipation.

LaNorris Sellers (South Carolina) is the Anthony Richardson of QB's in college. Super raw but also a great athlete. He's being overhyped, much like Richardson was at the time. His tape is all over the place. Some good, but it was mostly a train wreck.

Those are the top 5 consensus guys. But Drew Allar is the top guy imo if you exclude Arch.

There actually are rumors that Arch will stay in school for another year. He’s going to make millions because of NIL so he can afford to stay in school if he doesn’t like when and where he’s projected to get drafted. He does still have to prove it but no one expects him to fail. Even if he doesn’t win a National Title as long as he plays well and the team does well he will be a top pick. His name is going to boost him above some others that have more experience, especially if he also plays well this season.

[wco81]

One of these days, an NFL or NBA prospect is going to stay one more year for NIL money and suffer a devastating injury which tanks their draft value or kills their pro career before it even starts.

What does a top 10 NFL draft pick earn per year vs. his NIL money? Let's say he only earns $3 million in his rookie year versus say $5 million NIL money for staying another year in college. Even without having a bad injury, he may be a million or two ahead but the rest of his rookie contract is worth tens of millions more.

Plus for a QB prospect, they're one year closer to getting a starting QB extension, which would be well north of $50 million a year.

So it makes no sense for potential franchise QBs to stay in college. How much can they earn really in an additional year, say it's some crazy number like $30 million.

That's fine, get that money earlier in their life.

But that means waiting an additional year to get an NFL starter QB extension money.

So it only makes sense if a QB prospect thinks he won't become a starter by the end of his rookie deal and be up for making tens of millions a year in their 5th or 6th year of a pro career.

Caleb made noises about staying in school. He could have made big money. And supposedly he and his father didn't want to go to the Bears so if it made sense for anyone, it would have been him. But he's going to get on that big money train a year earlier, unless he becomes complete bust in the next 2-3 seasons. Even then, someone will give him a 1 or 2-year $40-50 million prove-it deal. He wasn't going to do better than that in an additional NIL year.

In the NBA it's a little different. Some prospect projected to be drafted in the late first round or in the second round can make more money in college than their rookie year. Again injury risk. But maybe also they have a great year and improve their draft stock to go top 20 or top 15 in the next NBA draft.

NFL prospects have even greater injury risk.

[Mr B]

One of these days, an NFL or NBA prospect is going to stay one more year for NIL money and suffer a devastating injury which tanks their draft value or kills their pro career before it even starts.

What does a top 10 NFL draft pick earn per year vs. his NIL money? Let's say he only earns $3 million in his rookie year versus say $5 million NIL money for staying another year in college. Even without having a bad injury, he may be a million or two ahead but the rest of his rookie contract is worth tens of millions more.

Plus for a QB prospect, they're one year closer to getting a starting QB extension, which would be well north of $50 million a year.

So it makes no sense for potential franchise QBs to stay in college. How much can they earn really in an additional year, say it's some crazy number like $30 million.

That's fine, get that money earlier in their life.

But that means waiting an additional year to get an NFL starter QB extension money.

So it only makes sense if a QB prospect thinks he won't become a starter by the end of his rookie deal and be up for making tens of millions a year in their 5th or 6th year of a pro career.

Caleb made noises about staying in school. He could have made big money. And supposedly he and his father didn't want to go to the Bears so if it made sense for anyone, it would have been him. But he's going to get on that big money train a year earlier, unless he becomes complete bust in the next 2-3 seasons. Even then, someone will give him a 1 or 2-year $40-50 million prove-it deal. He wasn't going to do better than that in an additional NIL year.

In the NBA it's a little different. Some prospect projected to be drafted in the late first round or in the second round can make more money in college than their rookie year. Again injury risk. But maybe also they have a great year and improve their draft stock to go top 20 or top 15 in the next NBA draft.

NFL prospects have even greater injury risk.

The top prospects typically insure themselves in case of injury during their final year in college. He makes enough money to have a pretty big policy in case of injury.

[wco81]

How much coverage can they get though?

Can they get a $50 million policy? Because if he has a serious injury, it's going to cost him at least that much in earnings. How much would a $50 million policy cost?

Because in a sport like football, chance of a serious injury is not negligible.

[Duke4life831]

I will say this, looking at the brand new 2026 mock draft that ESPN just put out.

Wow if the draft ends up anywhere near like that mock draft. Im praying Minnesota doesnt have a down year. Cade Klubnik as the #1 pick? I was high on him coming out of high school, I bought the hype. But my god has he looked rough at Clemson so far.

Im already looking forward to the 2027 draft. That's where the freaks are at. Jeremiah Smith, Ryan Williams, Dylan Stewart, KJ Bolden, Koi Perich, throw in Arch if he doesnt leave after this year.

After watching more film on these guys, it's Drew Allar. Assuming he plays well this year, he'll be picked early.

Arch is getting most of the hype. But he's only started 2 games. It sounds like he'll stay in school for another year.

The rest of the QB class though is pretty rough.

Sellers (South Carolina) is getting a bunch of hype. But similar to Richardson, his play is like a car crash.

Nussmeier is an older prospect with a lower ceiling.

Whereas the 2027 class should have Arch, DJ Lagway & the kid from Nebraska.

Ya just looked at the CBS 1st round mock and the QBs they have.

Nussmeier #1
Allar #8
Mendoza #14
Klubnik #27
Sellers #32

Can’t lie, didn’t watch much of Cal football so I haven’t seen Mendoza (or at least can’t remember watching him).

Sellers is your typical raw QB with high level lyrical physical traits. Seems more accurate than Richardson, but not nearly as freakish athletically, but still showed pretty limited passing ability last year.

Klubnik to me has all the tools. But I wouldn’t touch him anywhere close to the 1st round because he’s just so bad at processing defenses. It’s so bad, that you don’t need to be some QB guru to see it. You can just see him locking in on 1 target or he just freezes up.

Out of that group I would go Allar. Even though I just despise Penn State QBs.

It’s just a weak class overall (at least from a QB and skill position). 2027 is going to be so stacked. It’s going to be 2024 all over again.