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Post#21 » by KnickTerp12 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:03 am

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Everybody knows blown saves is a horrible statistic. It's not accurate at all. Mariano got a **** blown save for letting a sacrifice fly in that he inherited from Gordon in Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS. It's not an accurate statistic at all.

Mo, in his 10 year career, has 5 losses against Boston. 5 losses. In 74 appearances, he has saved 35 games, won 10 and lost 5.

This ripping on Mo is insane. Just insane. Some of you call yourself Yankee fans?


You my friend is what gets the present day Yankees fan major hate. We gotta stop the living the past. Mo isnt' the same right now (YET) so deal with it. Quit using old stats to show that we are awesome
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Post#22 » by ccvle » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:04 am

fact is mariano blew more save against the red sox than against the the rest of the league.
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Post#23 » by ccvle » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:05 am

I;'m not evening hating on mo, but to say he pitches against the red sox just as good as he does against other teams is just in denial.
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Post#24 » by PR07 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:07 am

Mariano is still one of the best closers in the game, but to say that the BoSox haven't made him vulnerable the past couple of seasons is just ridiculous. Mo is going to have a great career ERA against almost every team, but that doesn't change the recent past.
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Post#25 » by cmaff051 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:07 am

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You my friend is what gets the present day Yankees fan major hate. We gotta stop the living the past. Mo isnt' the same right now (YET) so deal with it. Quit using old stats to show that we are awesome


Oh give me a **** break. He did the same thing last year. He had a bad April and then rebounded for the rest of the year. Same thing in 2005. Same thing in every year of his career.

It's fans like you who give present day Yankee fans a bad name. Trashing Mo ? Are you kidding me? How many games do we play this season? 162. Not 20.

You are going to look real foolish when Mo has his typical sub 2 era season once again.

ccvle wrote:fact is mariano blew more save against the red sox than against the the rest of the league.


Well that's because he's faced them more than any other team genius.
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Post#26 » by cmaff051 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:09 am

ccvle wrote:I;'m not evening hating on mo, but to say he pitches against the red sox just as good as he does against other teams is just in denial.


Might as well ignore the stats. It's easier that way.
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Post#27 » by Bleeding Green » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:10 am

Rivera's career line in April coming into this season: 119.2 IP, 105 K, 38 BB, 2.11 ERA. It's his second best month after May, at least by ERA. September his worst.
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Post#28 » by PR07 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:11 am

No one "is trashing Mo", we're stating the obvious, Mariano has had some struggles against the Sox compared to other teams in the past couple of seasons. Stop acting like he's immortal and can do no wrong.
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Post#29 » by cmaff051 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:14 am

PacersRule07 wrote:No one "is trashing Mo", we're stating the obvious, Mariano has had some struggles against the Sox compared to other teams in the past couple of seasons. Stop acting like he's immortal and can do no wrong.


When did I ever say he was immortal and can do no wrong? Never. What I said what that if you are going to ignore the facts, then it's pointless to debate with you. The facts are there, he prevents runs from scoring against the Red Sox very well, and that's a much better stat than blown saves, which are inaccurate, as I said.
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Post#30 » by ccvle » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:18 am

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Well that's because he's faced them more than any other team genius.


hey genius, mariano blew only 11 saves from 04-06,but 4 of them came against the sox. We don't play against the sox 60 games a season.
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Post#31 » by cmaff051 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:23 am

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hey genius, mariano blew only 11 saves from 04-06,but 4 of them came against the sox. We don't play against the sox 60 games a season.


Are the Red Sox not the best team in the East besides us every year? Do we not play them 18 times a year?

Mo gets hit sometimes by good teamss. It's not a hard concept to understand. Good teams have good hitters. The good team we face the most is Boston. Mo blows the most saves against Boston. It's prety simple to understand. Kapish?
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Post#32 » by ccvle » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:26 am

damn, what dont you understand? Mo is almost always automatic against every other team,except for the red sox.
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Post#33 » by Bleeding Green » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:31 am

Untrue. He has a career 2.61 ERA against them. Against Baltimore, for instance, it's 3.27. And he's pitched more innings against Baltimore in the regular season, by the way.

Also, in 45.2 IP against Anaheim he has a 3.94 ERA. And Cleveland, in 45.1 IP--3.38 ERA.

Facts, people. Use them. Otherwise you just continue to spread lies. And lies are bad, mmkay?

(all numbers are from data coming into this season, so nothing this season is accounted for)
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Post#34 » by Pharmcat » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:32 am

nice job Mo :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Post#35 » by cmaff051 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:32 am

ccvle wrote:damn, what dont you understand? Mo is almost always automatic against every other team,except for the red sox.


But facts prove your argument wrong.

I'm done with this argument.. this is going nowhere. Have fun with your Mo bashing fest. I'll keep it in mind when he starts dominating.
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Post#36 » by ccvle » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:36 am

prove what argument wrong? mariano converted 118 saves in 125 opportunities against the league for a ratio of 94.4%,but against the red sox he only converted 75%(12 out 16)
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Post#37 » by ccvle » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:38 am

Bleeding Green wrote:Untrue. He has a career 2.61 ERA against them. Against Baltimore, for instance, it's 3.27. And he's pitched more innings against Baltimore in the regular season, by the way.

Also, in 45.2 IP against Anaheim he has a 3.94 ERA. And Cleveland, in 45.1 IP--3.38 ERA.

Facts, people. Use them. Otherwise you just continue to spread lies. And lies are bad, mmkay?

(all numbers are from data coming into this season, so nothing this season is accounted for)


I'm only using stats from the last 3-5 years. From 04-06, Mo's era was 2.7 against the sox and 1.7 against the rest of the league.
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Post#38 » by Bleeding Green » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:47 am

What's that like 15-20 innings?

Brad Penny has like a .2 ERA through 15-ish innings, so I don't know how indicative that is of his ability. Hell, even the 85-ish innings he has against the Red Sox in his career isn't a hell of a lot.

Basically, I think the point is that he's not better or worse against any team in baseball. Perhaps against certain players, but not against franchises that change players every year. What he did to Trot Nixon in 2003 is basically irrelevant to what he'll do to J.D. Drew in 2007.

I don't think you can say that Mariano Rivera, the coolest and calmest motherf***er on the planet, clams up against the Red Sox or any team for that matter.
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Post#39 » by ccvle » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:49 am

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Post#40 » by ccvle » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:50 am

I don't see what is the point in going back to 1996.

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