Tony Dungy retires.

NoSkyy · Post #1 » by **NoSkyy** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:01 am

I have to give this man a shout out. I thought he was an astounding coach.

Every time I think about him I remember that whole thing with his son and how he still did his thing.

I wonder if he'll go into broadcasting?

Post #2 » by **miller31time** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:04 am

NoSkyy wrote:I wonder if he'll go into broadcasting?

Nah, I think this is one of the few cases where a guy who says "He wants to spend more time with his family" really wants to spend more time with his family.

Post #3 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:51 am

I think he'll take a year or two off, and then get into the Tampa Bay FO. He still lives down there, and I think he'd be great in charge of that franchise.

Post #4 » by **J.Kim** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:06 am

I say 6-8 Months until Bill Cowher-like coverage of where he might coach next, when he might come back, and teams posturing to hire him...

Post #5 » by **Rooster** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:47 am

Great coach, and although he won his Superbowl in Indy, I'll always remember him for his work with the Bucs. When I first started watching the NFL, the team was a joke - by the time he left, they were a playoff team.

LAKESHOW · Post #6 » by **LAKESHOW** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:22 am

dungy was an excellent coach. that team in tampa bay won with his players. he built and molded that team, chuckie inherited a badass team it and won. but hasnt been able to make much after that. his record in indy is remarkable. i believe if you string 'em all together, hes been in the playoffs for something like 10 consecutive years. or somethin like that. just remarkable.

Post #7 » by **Icness** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:06 pm

I'm a little troubled by his postseason performances. He basically created the Atlanta Braves of the NFL--put them in the playoffs in pen before the season starts, but once they get there they usually came up short of expectations. That one Super Bowl title drowns out a lot of that criticism.

One of the more common arguments we had on the Cavs board during Lebron's first couple of seasons was defining success. Would we rather always be a strong contender but experience year after year of playoff heartbreak and maybe one title in 10 years, or would we prefer a short reign with 3 titles in 4 years and then he leaves and the team goes back to sucking. That's a personal preference argument, but I'm for the supernova of titles. Maybe that's why I don't see Dungy as being as successful as most people. That doesn't mean I don't think he was a very good coach, but he is also the poster child for dogging games once the playoffs are clinched. That and his lack of playoff success are not coincidental. I would have thought he would have learned that from Tampa, but he never really did.

Great run though, and he did it his way, which is pretty cool.

Post #8 » by **Rooster** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:35 pm

Take it from a Raptors fan: you should be happy with every win you can get. Only one team wins it all every year, so to expect to be that team is unreasonable. Enjoy every playoff game your team plays, because you don't know when you'll see your next one.

Also, in terms of the Bucs or Colts hoping to win it all, you don't think 31 other teams are thinking that too? If you want to say that Dungy's team should be winning Superbowls, then you'll have to turn around and say that for the Patriots, Steelers, Eagles, etc. Only one trophy.

Post #9 » by **BlackMamba** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:33 pm

i wonder how much he will wait to get back in any sort of way to the NFL.

i don't think there is a negative thing you can say about him, he was really outstanding as an everyday person and as a football person, i think that is what will be missed more from him.

and about him just winning one super bowl i think it's not that he was a bad coach for playoffs, but considering he was eliminated most of the time by the patriots you have to balance that.

Post #10 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:45 pm

I'm a little troubled by his postseason performances. He basically created the Atlanta Braves of the NFL--put them in the playoffs in pen before the season starts, but once they get there they usually came up short of expectations. That one Super Bowl title drowns out a lot of that criticism.

Anything can happen in a one-game format. I think it speaks more to his talent that he constantly kept the Colts and Bucs contenders during his tenure with each team., especially given his more dynastic contemporaries.

Post #11 » by **PR07** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:33 am

Easily, one of the best coaches in the game when he left.

You can say what you want about his playoff success, but he doesn't wear the pads and helmet on the field. These are grown men. If they can't play with the intensity and sharpness, then they don't deserve to advance. I don't think you can say that he hasn't prepared his teams.

The Colts' defense was an absolute joke before he got here. Our best defensive player was Chad Bratzke for a long time. He was able to bring a successful defensive scheme, and an eye for defensive talent to fit in it. The defensive players for the Tampa 2 are easily obtainable in the draft. Now, this defense is pretty solid (maybe really good, if we can get a legit DT in the middle), and actually has star power in the likes of Dwight Freeney, Bob Sanders, and Robert Mathis.

Not many coaches can claim to do what Dungy can when it comes to: Winning, defense, racial strides, and above all else people. When you look at this guy's coaching tree, it's second to Walsh's.

Post #12 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:41 pm

Basketball Jesus wrote:
I'm a little troubled by his postseason performances. He basically created the Atlanta Braves of the NFL--put them in the playoffs in pen before the season starts, but once they get there they usually came up short of expectations. That one Super Bowl title drowns out a lot of that criticism.

Anything can happen in a one-game format. I think it speaks more to his talent that he constantly kept the Colts and Bucs contenders during his tenure with each team., especially given his more dynastic contemporaries.

He started with a young Ed James, Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning on the Colts. He was put in a position to have a consistent contender. He did well, but I feel like he could have done better.

Post #13 » by **PR07** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:33 pm

And an absolute joke of a defense. I think it was his 1st season here where in the playoffs, the Colts never punted once, and still only won the game by like 3 points against the Chiefs.

Fatty · Post #14 » by **Fatty** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:31 am

classiest coach of this era in any sport

Post #15 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:24 pm

PacersRule07 wrote:And an absolute joke of a defense. I think it was his 1st season here where in the playoffs, the Colts never punted once, and still only won the game by like 3 points against the Chiefs.

I don't think that diminishes my point. Having Peyton Manning is a great head start to building a consistent winner and although Dungy was a defensive coach, the Colts were always an offensive heavy team.

Post #16 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:06 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
PacersRule07 wrote:And an absolute joke of a defense. I think it was his 1st season here where in the playoffs, the Colts never punted once, and still only won the game by like 3 points against the Chiefs.

I don't think that diminishes my point. Having Peyton Manning is a great head start to building a consistent winner and although Dungy was a defensive coach, the Colts were always an offensive heavy team.

That’s only sensible, though: Dungy’s strength was defense and he was a great assembler of mediocre/marginal talent and making it work. He didn’t need a roster full of defensive stars to have a competent D.

Post #17 » by **PR07** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:01 am

Asking someone to build a respectable defense with 30% of the team's salary cap for a long time isn't an easy task, but Dungy did it.

Post #18 » by **Icness** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:10 am

PacersRule07 wrote:Asking someone to build a respectable defense with 30% of the team's salary cap for a long time isn't an easy task, but Dungy did it.

No. Bill Polian did it, because he correctly deduced that surrounding Peyton Manning with top-notch blockers and skilled weapons was more vital to winning than the difference between a 3rd round and 5th round CB or DT. Dungy coached them up and maximized talent of guys like Gary Brackett and Robert Mathis, and he deserves a lot of credit for player development on defense. But give the credit to Polian for finding players who fit what Dungy needed and for drafting replacements before the players needed replacing.

I wonder if Dungy's luster will dim if Caldwell goes 12-4 and wins two playoff games next year. I don't think that's going to happen (and I think Dungy very well knew that), but if it does, will everyone say how great Caldwell is or will it get chalked up to great organizational strength and knock down Dungy's legacy?

deeney0 · Post #19 » by **deeney0** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:36 am

Icness wrote:
PacersRule07 wrote:I wonder if Dungy's luster will dim if Caldwell goes 12-4 and wins two playoff games next year. I don't think that's going to happen (and I think Dungy very well knew that), but if it does, will everyone say how great Caldwell is or will it get chalked up to great organizational strength and knock down Dungy's legacy?

Conversely, does Peyton's legacy take a hit if the miss the playoffs next year? And what does that do to cement Tony?