CUTLER Trade: Denver gets 3 picks and QB

[Modern_epic]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f98dd1&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

"Time will tell if he's going to be a franchise player," Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said of Cutler. "We're certainly hoping that's the case. But what we do know is we got a winning quarterback, and we feel very good about that."

Does Jerry Angelo know something that I don't?

I think it's probably just a typo; somebody missed an h, and then spell check through in the second n.

[MadCityBucky]

Angelo just repeated what I said, he's not a franchise QB yet, end of discussion. He's got a lot to prove even though he has shown flashes of greatness.

[rickj82]

I think at the moment the Broncos got the upper hand in the deal but time will prove if its really a steal or not

[Cager]

Did the Bears give up too much? No way - not by any stretch of the imagination! The terms of the deal have to be put into perspective.

As stated elsewhere in the Bears Forum, think of it this way: the Bears #1 pick this year is... Jay Cutler. True they gave up the 3rd rounder too, but the Bears received an extra 3rd rounder as compensation for the Berrian signing in Minnesota last season, so that ends up being a wash. Also the Bears receive a fifth rounder to help soften the blow. In this line of thinking the only net "loss" in the trade is Orton, and next year's first rounder, which in all likelihood will end up being closer to the second round than to the top of the draft.

Now back to Cutler being the Bears first round pick this year - he isn't an unproven player fresh out of college; he's an experienced Pro Bowl player, and still young to boot! He steps right in and plays, with all the "rookie" mistakes already kindly massaged out of his system courtesy of the Denver Broncos. If he continues to play at an All-Pro level that more than makes up for the loss of Orton, who has never sniffed All-Pro consideration, and next years first rounder given up by the Bears.

Having said all that, Denver did do well in the package they received. The Bears had to give up value to get value. And I happen to like Orton; I hope he does well in Denver.

I believe It's a win-win trade for both teams.

[Elway=GOAT]

You're not a franchise QB if you haven't lead your team to the playoffs in 3 seasons, but he definetely has the potential. That pro bowl last year was arguable, I would've taken Pennington personally.

I'm more interested in how the defense performs for Chicago next season. Should be a great game Sunday night, Rodgers vs. Cutler. I just hope that the Packers special teams don't **** up again and lose the game for the team.

Say what you will about Cutler, but the idea of a single player leading his team to anything has no credence in the NFL.

John Elway

[Elway=GOAT]

Just for the record, I hate Josh McDaniels. I keep seeing all these Bronco fans saying Orton is the answer, and we will be better, because now we can focus on building the defense. Hey thats fine, and Jays record when his defense is held under 21 points is 12-1/Ortons is 21-4(Before anyone throws that in there), but I dont care...Cutler is a once a decade QB talent and you trade him away because you hired a lying snake. I expect a full rebuild after McFAIL is fired in 2 years.

Another hoody disciple screwing another team before they are canned, what else is new? Hopfully, the Broncos are the last victim of this conspiracy. I can not help but think Belichick is behind all this somehow.

[Rooster]

You're not a franchise QB if you haven't lead your team to the playoffs in 3 seasons, but he definetely has the potential. That pro bowl last year was arguable, I would've taken Pennington personally.

I'm more interested in how the defense performs for Chicago next season. Should be a great game Sunday night, Rodgers vs. Cutler. I just hope that the Packers special teams don't **** up again and lose the game for the team.

Say what you will about Cutler, but the idea of a single player leading his team to anything has no credence in the NFL.

John Elway

...who didn't win a Superbowl until Terrell Davis came along. Also don't forget the O-Line that made all that possible, plus Romo+Mobley+others on defence.

blue steel, they were up three games with three to go (8-5 while SD was 5-8), and yes, their defence did blow it! Cutler wasn't the one giving up all those points. They allowed 30, 30 and 52 points, and the 52 came against the team that beat them for the division in the first place. That can't be blamed on Cutler at all. If you have to expect your QB to lead your offence to 37.3PPG, then no wonder he demanded out.

[HMFFL]

Jared Allen on Jay Cutler: “I’m Gonna Peel the Back of His Head Off the Turf”

http://thevikingage.com/2009/04/10/jare ... -the-turf/

[Elway=GOAT]

You're not a franchise QB if you haven't lead your team to the playoffs in 3 seasons, but he definetely has the potential. That pro bowl last year was arguable, I would've taken Pennington personally.

I'm more interested in how the defense performs for Chicago next season. Should be a great game Sunday night, Rodgers vs. Cutler. I just hope that the Packers special teams don't **** up again and lose the game for the team.

Say what you will about Cutler, but the idea of a single player leading his team to anything has no credence in the NFL.

John Elway[/quote]
...who didn't win a Superbowl until Terrell Davis came along. Also don't forget the O-Line that made all that possible, plus Romo+Mobley+others on defence.

blue steel, they were up three games with three to go (8-5 while SD was 5-8), and yes, their defence did blow it! Cutler wasn't the one giving up all those points. They allowed 30, 30 and 52 points, and the 52 came against the team that beat them for the division in the first place. That can't be blamed on Cutler at all. If you have to expect your QB to lead your offence to 37.3PPG, then no wonder he demanded out.[/quote]

I am aware he didn't win a Superbowl, untill after he had talent around him. However, im refering to him leading a team of nobodys to Superbowl's 3 different times. Middle of the pack defense and out of those 3 teams he had a combined 2 seasons of a player with 1000+ yards. 1 receving, 1 rushing. I can not think of another player who single handedly put a football team on his back and took them that far, litterally by himself like John Elway did for those Broncos teams.

Im aware he got waxed by teams who were stacked from top to bottom in the Superbow, there is only so much a 1 man team can do, just the fact that they got there, with the talent they had on those teams is pretty amazing.

[High 5]

LOL @ calling Culter a "once a decade QB talent."

[Rooster]

You're not a franchise QB if you haven't lead your team to the playoffs in 3 seasons, but he definetely has the potential. That pro bowl last year was arguable, I would've taken Pennington personally.

I'm more interested in how the defense performs for Chicago next season. Should be a great game Sunday night, Rodgers vs. Cutler. I just hope that the Packers special teams don't **** up again and lose the game for the team.

Say what you will about Cutler, but the idea of a single player leading his team to anything has no credence in the NFL.

John Elway

...who didn't win a Superbowl until Terrell Davis came along. Also don't forget the O-Line that made all that possible, plus Romo+Mobley+others on defence.

blue steel, they were up three games with three to go (8-5 while SD was 5-8), and yes, their defence did blow it! Cutler wasn't the one giving up all those points. They allowed 30, 30 and 52 points, and the 52 came against the team that beat them for the division in the first place. That can't be blamed on Cutler at all. If you have to expect your QB to lead your offence to 37.3PPG, then no wonder he demanded out.[/quote]

I am aware he didn't win a Superbowl, untill after he had talent around him. However, im refering to him leading a team of nobodys to Superbowl's 3 different times. Middle of the pack defense and out of those 3 teams he had a combined 2 seasons of a player with 1000+ yards. 1 receving, 1 rushing. I can not think of another player who single handedly put a football team on his back and took them that far, litterally by himself like John Elway did for those Broncos teams.

Im aware he got waxed by teams who were stacked from top to bottom in the Superbow, there is only so much a 1 man team can do, just the fact that they got there, with the talent they had on those teams is pretty amazing.[/quote]
I'm not diminishing Elway's talent. I'm emphasizing football's place as the ultimate team game.

[CBS7]

This is ridiculous. Bears make an aggressive move going after a QB who's ceiling is as high as anybody's, after being ridiculed for being too passive in the offseason, and not trading/drafting a QB for the past few years.

Yeah, we still need a WR. Yeah, we still need to address problems on our D. But if Cutler works out we have our QB for the next several years. That is worth 2 firsts, a third, and Orton.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

Here's a better way to put the Cutler trade into perspective.

The Bears gave up:
Rd1P18 (900 pts)
Rd3P84 (170 pts)
Rd1 next years, we'll put it right it the middle and give it 1,000 pts
Kyle Orton, we'll be generous and say middle of third round value - 190 pts
Total 2260 points

Bears received
Rd5P140 - 36 pts
Jay Cutler

Net point value = 2224, or roughly the third overall pick. Keep in mind I was pretty generous with the value of the Bears first next year and Kyle Orton's value. So knowing what you know about Jay Cutler now, would you spend the third overall pick on him in this years draft?

This was a good trade for the Bears. For the Broncos, it is as long as they don't blow the picks.

Trade Value Chart

[Cliff Levingston]

Here's a better way to put the Cutler trade into perspective.

The Bears gave up:
Rd1P18 (900 pts)
Rd3P84 (170 pts)
Rd1 next years, we'll put it right it the middle and give it 1,000 pts
Kyle Orton, we'll be generous and say middle of third round value - 190 pts
Total 2260 points

Bears received
Rd5P140 - 36 pts
Jay Cutler

Net point value = 2224, or roughly the third overall pick. Keep in mind I was pretty generous with the value of the Bears first next year and Kyle Orton's value. So knowing what you know about Jay Cutler now, would you spend the third overall pick on him in this years draft?

This was a good trade for the Bears. For the Broncos, it is as long as they don't blow the picks.

Trade Value Chart

Great analysis FOH, although some people would have you believe that Orton is worth a 2nd or 1st round pick... now that he's not a Bear.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

Even if you upped Orton's value that much, It'd probably still be in the range of the first or second pick.