Vick a Philadelphia Eagle

[mike_miller]

vick got off easy? first time ive heard someone with the balls to say that retardedness..

glad this happened, the nfl was less fun to watch without him and i hope he can get back to something close to what he was in atl...

of course the move is good...you just got a pro-bowl qb for less than 2 mil as an insurance policy.

just hope he gets in the game sooner than later.

[nesta]

i am really suprised. I did not see this coming with philly's qb situation..

Dec.6 will be a day to circle in everyone's books

[J.Kim]

This is hilarious. No fanbase outside of the NFC South hated/criticized Vick more than Philly's. I wish Vick well as long as it doesn't come at the Falcons' expense. Everyone makes mistakes, fortunately Vick's huge mistake was a blessing in the disguise for Atlanta.

I hated playing against him...

No matter what people say, Mike Vick is a game changer that can turn the tide of a game faster than anyone.

When Mike Vick breaks the pocket, the gameplan for both sides go out the window, all the film study, the studying of how to cut off certain routes, how to get to the quarterback through various schemes, all that is nullified and guys have to rely on instincts and tackling, and Mike Vick is special in the open field.


I'm more curious as to how he moves and throws than anything. If he still can run and gun like he did, he's a weapon.

I'd have to say, his arm is probably nothing to worry about if you're an opposing team. I don't envision Philly putting him behind center much (if at all), and even if that were the case, he was never all that accurate of a passer out of the pocket in the first place (I mean, as a Scrambling QB, he might have had the best arm and a half-decent ability to throw on target, but that was what... 2, 3 years ago?)

[Triumph36]

i have so many conflicted feelings right now. i am a huge eagle fan, but i hate what vick did. and i find it really really disgusted that he got off to me easy.

Are you a vegetarian? If you do eat animals, I doubt they were killed in a humane way. Watch videos on CAFO's and other animal factory farms. Im sure slaughterhouses make sure that animals don't suffer before they die. If you're outraged by what Vick did, then you should also be outraged by eating meat in general and people who eat meat (which is the majority of the US population).

I definitely think that someone who toturted dogs and gambled across state lines should go to jail for 17 more months than someone who killed a person.

This statement is so ridiculously dumb, wow.

(I mean, as a Scrambling QB, he might have had the best arm and a half-decent ability to throw on target, but that was what... 2, 3 years ago?)

Yeah, this is an important thing to point out. It's hard to speculate about what he can and will do this year when nobody knows what kind of shape he's in and if he still is an NFL-caliber player.

I don't really understand why the Eagles didn't at least work him out before signing him. TBH, I wouldn't be totally surprised if Vick is just done and this signing turns out badly.

[bucks59]

]This statement is so ridiculously dumb, wow.

Why is that? Because slaughterhouses are humane? Because the chicken that people eat was killed via injection and not other means? Maybe dogs received more torture, but its somewhat marginal compared to what happens to other animals in factory farms.

I'm not saying you shouldn't eat meat, I eat meat, I'm just saying its hypocritical to react negatively to what Vick did in the context of dog fighting given what our society already condones.

[Icness]

I think Vick came off well at his press conference. Not sure he will ever be able change some peoples opinions about him. But if he keeps it up, It could be relatively smooth for him.

I thought so too. I've always maintained Vick is a good person who made a bad decision and was too easily influenced by knuckleheads glomming off him. I like that he's not trying to be over the top seeking redemption, he's just going about his business as quiet as he can.

[Flash3]

]This statement is so ridiculously dumb, wow.

Why is that? Because slaughterhouses are humane? Because the chicken that people eat was killed via injection and not other means? Maybe dogs received more torture, but its somewhat marginal compared to what happens to other animals in factory farms.

I'm not saying you shouldn't eat meat, I eat meat, I'm just saying its hypocritical to react negatively to what Vick did in the context of dog fighting given what our society already condones.

You're missing the point in essence. Chicken and such animals are bred for human consumption, where as dogs are not. They aren't consumed, but left for dead after being mutantly killed, as was described during the Vick hearings of what he and his buddies were doing to these dogs.

[Triumph36]

]This statement is so ridiculously dumb, wow.

Why is that? Because slaughterhouses are humane? Because the chicken that people eat was killed via injection and not other means? Maybe dogs received more torture, but its somewhat marginal compared to what happens to other animals in factory farms.

I'm not saying you shouldn't eat meat, I eat meat, I'm just saying its hypocritical to react negatively to what Vick did in the context of dog fighting given what our society already condones.

You're missing the point in essence. Chicken and such animals are bred for human consumption, where as dogs are not. They aren't consumed, but left for dead after being mutantly killed, as was described during the Vick hearings of what he and his buddies were doing to these dogs.

Yeah basically this. In addition, you said it's hypocritical for people who eat meat to react negatively to what Vick did. In saying that, you seem to be assuming that people who eat meat are OK with how animals are treated in slaughterhouses when actually that's not true at all. I realize that animals are treated very poorly in most slaughterhouses, and I'm not saying that's right. Actually, I wish animals could be killed quickly and with little to no pain - but unfortunately that's an ideal situation and not that realistic.

But as Flash said, the main point is that while animals may be treated inhumanely in both situations, the situations are still very different because of the use the animals have. Killing animals for food and torturing animals for your own personal entertainment are two completely different things.

If Vick killed the dogs with an injection, then that'd be a little different (tho still not right). Instead, he electrocuted them, drowned them, and whipped them against the ground --- that's straight up torture.

[bucks59]

But as Flash said, the main point is that while animals may be treated inhumanely in both situations, the situations are still very different because of the use the animals have. Killing animals for food and torturing animals for your own personal entertainment are two completely different things.

So its ok to torture chicken/cows/etc because we eat them but not ok to do the same to dogs because we want to play with them? How do you draw the distinction? Why are chicken/cows etc on a different level than dogs? Can you breed dogs with the intention of killing them via dog fighting, thus changing their use? If people decided that dogs do in fact taste good and are cost effective, would it then be ok to breed them with the intent of eating them? Would then killing/torturing/etc be justifiable? Whats the difference between fish and dogs? People keep fish as pets yet we still eat fish. Since we breed fish for both consumption and as household pets, its ok?

Additionally, eating animals is not a prerequisite to life and living for humans, so I dont understand why it matters how we use the animals. There are obviously a ton of people that follow a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle. It is not necessary to eat chicken/cows/etc, but we do it because it is a taste we enjoy. Maybe people are not entertained by watching animals die before they are put on their plates, but they do gain personal excitement/satisfaction from eating those animals, even though it is not necessary to sustain their own lives.

What about hunting? Or fishing? Obviously, animals don't suffer to the same degree as the dogs that Vick killed, but they still suffer. Thats a form of entertainment for the person who kills the animals. Why is that ok?

What Vick did is probably more malicious than what happens at a slaughterhouse, but the difference is not enough in my opinion to morally justify one thing but to criticize the other.

I also think its incredibly practical and necessary to place a dead turkey on TV screens during NFL games on Thanksgiving. I'm sure that turkey died in a humane way and I'm sure that there was no entertainment value gained at all from putting that image on the TV.

[PhilipNelsonFan]

Donovan McNabb should sue the Philadelphia Eagles for years of abuse and mistreatment.

[J.Kim]

Donovan McNabb should sue the Philadelphia Eagles for years of abuse and mistreatment.

Philadelphia Eagles is to Donovan McNabb as Michael Vick is to the Bad Newz Kennels?

[Dirty Water]

Not eating meat is a lifestyle, eating meat is an instinct. Face it that's the way society works, people try to promote that they care for all animals. When in essence, they only want to save the cute animals. Am I right?

[dflash3]

Not eating meat is a lifestyle, eating meat is an instinct. Face it that's the way society works, people try to promote that they care for all animals. When in essence, they only want to save the cute animals. Am I right?

PETA likes to feed carnivores non meat products

[Flash3]

bucks59 is completely missing the point trying to be put across.

[TylersLakers]

Good god, can't everyone just get over it? I mean, the issue of what he did and torture of animals has been beat to death. What he did was horrible, every sensible person knows that and doesn't need to discuss it in every thread regarding Mike.

As far as him signing with the Eagles, I'm the happiest person in the world. Obviously, I've been a huge fan of him since his early years in Atlanta. Philadelphia has a stable organization and Vick has the right people around him to make this thing work. As far as reports from his first practise today, he was sharp and connected on a couple 50 yard bombs to Maclin and Jackson. One of the most interesting things I read; he was the last one to leave the field after staying late to work on footwork and mechanics. That never happened in Atlanta, and that kind of thing was the biggest issue I had with him.

I think he's going to be a more complete and better player than before he went to prison. His new found maturity and being humble is going to help him as a player.

It's all football from here on out and I'm happy about that. It's going to be exciting to see him back on the field.

[SSUBluesman]

Why is that? Because slaughterhouses are humane? Because the chicken that people eat was killed via injection and not other means? Maybe dogs received more torture, but its somewhat marginal compared to what happens to other animals in factory farms.

I'm not saying you shouldn't eat meat, I eat meat, I'm just saying its hypocritical to react negatively to what Vick did in the context of dog fighting given what our society already condones.

You're missing the point in essence. Chicken and such animals are bred for human consumption, where as dogs are not. They aren't consumed, but left for dead after being mutantly killed, as was described during the Vick hearings of what he and his buddies were doing to these dogs.

Yeah basically this. In addition, you said it's hypocritical for people who eat meat to react negatively to what Vick did. In saying that, you seem to be assuming that people who eat meat are OK with how animals are treated in slaughterhouses when actually that's not true at all. I realize that animals are treated very poorly in most slaughterhouses, and I'm not saying that's right. Actually, I wish animals could be killed quickly and with little to no pain - but unfortunately that's an ideal situation and not that realistic.

But as Flash said, the main point is that while animals may be treated inhumanely in both situations, the situations are still very different because of the use the animals have. Killing animals for food and torturing animals for your own personal entertainment are two completely different things.

If Vick killed the dogs with an injection, then that'd be a little different (tho still not right). Instead, he electrocuted them, drowned them, and whipped them against the ground --- that's straight up torture.

"Well I don't really like what they're doing, but I enjoy the result so I'll support it none the less."

Aside from a sterling display of amorality, your post demonstrates the continued fallacy (and thus, the usefulness) of the "ends justify the means" (the entire ends-means distinction qualifies, but that's a discussion not required here) conception of morality. Apparently it's okay to cruelly treat and then kill animals for food (an end in which you benefit) however not to do so for entertainment or for monetary gain (coincidentally enough, an end in which you don't benefit).

The point that you guys are missing is that if Vick's actions are wrong, than they are wrong when employed elsewhere by others. According to you and Flash3 they are not, so your concern lies not with what he did but what he did it FOR, which is an incredibly dangerous proposition (as victims of "collateral damage" will attest to).

Although both you and Flash3 are right about bucks36 missing the point of your arguments: morality and thinking are hard, so sometimes it's best not to engage in either.

[my2bits]

good for vick. good for eagles? screw PETA. with all the social and economic problems facing people in the world today i can't understand someone placing this much effort all on animals. people are more valuable than animals, right? imagine how many humans they could help with that kind of effort. why don't they make it illegal to run over a dog? i see dead dogs on every other street on my way to work. nobody stops to pick them up. they just run over him again and again. the humane society kills more dogs than everyone else put together. if you were going to be killed would it make any difference to you wether they do it humanely? dead is dead.

[Sofa King]

So glad he signed with the Eagles. Not that its the Eagles, but I got so tired of hearing "where in the world will Vick go" on the radio. Now its died down a bit so that phase is out of the way.

I love dogs. I think Vick is a changed man and deserves a second chance. If he **** up again, then hell will reign down on him for sure, but just give him another chance.

I also hope McNabb doesn't think he'll play tight end or something. He needs to just be the QB and not get injured. Or else the Vick signing will likely cost him his job.

[Joe Kleazy]

Vick should get his second chance without all of the crap some of you are spewing. He served his time for his own STUPIDITY, and because of that he owes it to himself to prove he is smart enough to recognize his mistake and move on.

For people to criticize they way they do and make outrageous comments, I hope you never have to deal with any adverse situations for your own mistakes. Stupidity runs rapid amongst alot of people and sometimes you dont know it until its too late. Judging someone else is always easy when you're no involved.

His time in jail is enough for the rational people along with the loss of his career and fortunes. He now is blessed to be able to rebuild somewhat from scratch. Its also forgotten that regardless of yoru feelings about him personally, he still has a family to provide for. Can he atleast be given that chance without your criticism?

Some of the posters here need jesus!