RIP: Junior Seau found dead

[hype_2004]

None of those '94 players that passed made it to 45

Abuse of Roids, painkillers and whatever hell they put in their bodies during their 10 years or so playing careers has been detrimental to their post career lives away from football. Many passed away from cardiovascular related diseases, sad.

[kobeaki]

I don't see how you can blame Benoit for something that as I already said the medical doctors already said he no control of his actions. There was one interview they had about the findings where one of the doctors said if Benoit hadn't snapped then he could have snapped before then or after because he had no control of it. And some of those players/wrestlers do take out others as well as themselves. Verne Gagne is a famous wrestler who has those injuries and has late term Alzheimer's and he killed a fellow patient at a nursing home out of the blue with his bare hands. He doesn't even remember doing it. It is a very tragic condition. People who wouldn't normally do these things have no control because their brains are literally too damaged to respond in a rational fashion.

"No control" huh? We hear these "no control" arguments from laywers all the time and those **** are in prison. It was pretty damn calculated to have not had "any control". Let's see.

1. Bounds and strangles wife. Nicely places bible on dead body wrapped in a towel.
2. Sedates 7 year old son with xanax, then proceeds to strangle to death. Places bible by asphyxiated son's side.
3. Sends texts to buddies/co-works letting them know the dogs are in the backyard (hm, didn't bother to kill them) and that the door will be unlocked, to discover his dead family and himself.
4. Hangs self from rope.

Now how you compare this roid popping piece of **** to guys who suffered concussions and were unhappy enough to take themselves out alone, not hurting anyone else, is beyond me. That **** was calculated, cold blooded, murder. I'd piss on his grave if I could.

hmmm, you should feel very fortunate for yr good health...many in this world dont have that...

[kobeaki]

So the going theory here is that these guys suffer from a multiple brain trauma disease and their brain function is equivalent to an 85 year old with Alzheimers disease who can barely function and they are thinking clearly enough in their suicidal emotional state that they are intentionally going to preserve their brains for science?

Alrightythen

I also wonder how many 85 year olds with Alzheimer are killing themselves with shotguns shots to the chest.

IMHO to play/to excel at some positions in American Football you need to be a bit (a lot) crazy in the first place.

Then there's steroids then premature retirements / lots of injuries, then there are the painkillers then adiction.

So yeh crazy people + being paid to run at other people at full speed + steroids + painkiller addiction + frustrated players due to severe injuries = bad **** awaiting to happen.

Of course concussions add to it but I don't think it's the primary cause.

I bet more than 100.000.000 males were boxers for some time in the 150+ years of organized prize fighting and how many did kill themselves or their family members because concussions made them "lose their minds"...

10? 5?

Not buying this ****.

thats ok though, cause were not selling anything...

[omik]

Arsenic, the more I've read your posts on this forum, the more I've become convinced that you are either (a) Purely a troll, or (b) Always trying to play devil's advocate.

In Benoit's case, the leading cause has pretty much ALWAYS been the repeated brain damage throughout his career which led to CTE.

To quote:

Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient." Tests conducted on Benoit's brain tissue revealed he did in fact suffer from severe chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), and had brain damage in all four lobes of the brain and brain stem. Bailes and his colleagues concluded that repeated concussions can lead to dementia, which can contribute to severe behavioral problems. Benoit's father suggests that brain damage may have been the leading cause of the double murder-suicide.

Steroid use could have also been a factor, sure, but he hadn't been using artificial steroids which athletes use. The only artificial steroid found in his toxicology report was the testosterone cypionate that is prescribed for RECOVERING, FORMER users of steroids as testosterone therapy. The amount in his blood was also at a normal level as to have been a testosterone replacement.

The main issue was his brain, though. It was severely, severely damaged, and I don't think you understand how much that can change somebody (I'm going to assume you don't have any academic history in cognitive neuroscience like I do, or maybe no background in biology at all).

[kobeaki]

Arsenic, the more I've read your posts on this forum, the more I've become convinced that you are either (a) Purely a troll, or (b) Always trying to play devil's advocate.

In Benoit's case, the leading cause has pretty much ALWAYS been the repeated brain damage throughout his career which led to CTE.

To quote:

Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient." Tests conducted on Benoit's brain tissue revealed he did in fact suffer from severe chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), and had brain damage in all four lobes of the brain and brain stem. Bailes and his colleagues concluded that repeated concussions can lead to dementia, which can contribute to severe behavioral problems. Benoit's father suggests that brain damage may have been the leading cause of the double murder-suicide.

Steroid use could have also been a factor, sure, but he hadn't been using artificial steroids which athletes use. The only artificial steroid found in his toxicology report was the testosterone cypionate that is prescribed for RECOVERING, FORMER users of steroids as testosterone therapy. The amount in his blood was also at a normal level as to have been a testosterone replacement.

The main issue was his brain, though. It was severely, severely damaged, and I don't think you understand how much that can change somebody (I'm going to assume you don't have any academic history in cognitive neuroscience like I do, or maybe no background in biology at all).

good post, no of course he hasnt any experience in the field, its why he would perpetuate the social stigmas, and he is also the reason they live on...

[arsenic]

Arsenic, the more I've read your posts on this forum, the more I've become convinced that you are either (a) Purely a troll, or (b) Always trying to play devil's advocate.

In Benoit's case, the leading cause has pretty much ALWAYS been the repeated brain damage throughout his career which led to CTE.

To quote:

Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient." Tests conducted on Benoit's brain tissue revealed he did in fact suffer from severe chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), and had brain damage in all four lobes of the brain and brain stem. Bailes and his colleagues concluded that repeated concussions can lead to dementia, which can contribute to severe behavioral problems. Benoit's father suggests that brain damage may have been the leading cause of the double murder-suicide.

Steroid use could have also been a factor, sure, but he hadn't been using artificial steroids which athletes use. The only artificial steroid found in his toxicology report was the testosterone cypionate that is prescribed for RECOVERING, FORMER users of steroids as testosterone therapy. The amount in his blood was also at a normal level as to have been a testosterone replacement.

The main issue was his brain, though. It was severely, severely damaged, and I don't think you understand how much that can change somebody (I'm going to assume you don't have any academic history in cognitive neuroscience like I do, or maybe no background in biology at all).

I am not a troll, nor am I playing devils advocate here. This is my belief.
If you're going to excuse Benoit's double homicide and write it off as a brain injury, then you need to do it for everyone else who commits crimes as well. After all, there has to be SOMETHING medically "not clicking" with anyone who does this, right? I'm all about accountability here and I can assure you had Benoit not committed suicide but instead lived to see a court house of 12 jurors, he would be on death row right now --NOT in some mental institute on an "insanity plea". After murdering his wife and son on two separate days...he realized this as well, and took out himself. You people say he "lost his mind" well at what point did he regain consciousness of what he was doing/what had happened? Surely he did when he texted co-workers to let them know the dogs were safe and a door was left unlocked. Accountability my friends.

[Wavy Q]

Why the **** is Chris Benoit being discussed in this damn thread

RIP Seau

[omik]

I am not a troll, nor am I playing devils advocate here. This is my belief.
If you're going to excuse Benoit's double homicide and write it off as a brain injury, then you need to do it for everyone else who commits crimes as well. After all, there has to be SOMETHING medically "not clicking" with anyone who does this, right? I'm all about accountability here and I can assure you had Benoit not committed suicide but instead lived to see a court house of 12 jurors, he would be on death row right now --NOT in some mental institute on an "insanity plea". After murdering his wife and son on two separate days...he realized this as well, and took out himself. You people say he "lost his mind" well at what point did he regain consciousness of what he was doing/what had happened? Surely he did when he texted co-workers to let them know the dogs were safe and a door was left unlocked. Accountability my friends.

When professional neurosurgeons and doctors disagree with your "belief", then you might want to reconsider your "belief" and start educating yourself with the facts presented. You sound like somebody trying to disagree with the fact that the world is a sphere because you "Believe the world is flat, because it seems flat to me, and I am going to ignore what scientists and professionals have measured/discovered".

Do you also not believe in people who have schizophrenia? Should they be held accountable for their delusions and hallucinations? The brain is fragile and complex, and repeated damage can change an individual's personality, cause mental disorders, etc.

[arsenic]

I am not a troll, nor am I playing devils advocate here. This is my belief.
If you're going to excuse Benoit's double homicide and write it off as a brain injury, then you need to do it for everyone else who commits crimes as well. After all, there has to be SOMETHING medically "not clicking" with anyone who does this, right? I'm all about accountability here and I can assure you had Benoit not committed suicide but instead lived to see a court house of 12 jurors, he would be on death row right now --NOT in some mental institute on an "insanity plea". After murdering his wife and son on two separate days...he realized this as well, and took out himself. You people say he "lost his mind" well at what point did he regain consciousness of what he was doing/what had happened? Surely he did when he texted co-workers to let them know the dogs were safe and a door was left unlocked. Accountability my friends.

When professional neurosurgeons and doctors disagree with your "belief", then you might want to reconsider your "belief" and start educating yourself with the facts presented. You sound like somebody trying to disagree with the fact that the world is a sphere because you "Believe the world is flat, because it seems flat to me, and I am going to ignore what scientists and professionals have measured/discovered".

Do you also not believe in people who have schizophrenia? Should they be held accountable for their delusions and hallucinations? The brain is fragile and complex, and repeated damage can change an individual's personality, cause mental disorders, etc.

lolwut. There are NUMEROUS murderers "suffering from schizophrenia" in prison, so yes...they should be held accountable and almost always are. It seems as though you're implying that guys with medical conditions are EXEMPT from facing consequences of committing murder in the court of law? In that case, let's just agree to disagree.

[Clutch Carter]

Arsenic, the more I've read your posts on this forum, the more I've become convinced that you are either (a) Purely a troll, or (b) Always trying to play devil's advocate.

For his own sake, I sure hope he's trolling. In any case it's not worth wasting your time with. Ignore and move on.

[omik]

The point I was trying to make is that damaged brains CAN cause people to act outside of their usual mental states and commit murders / suicides. You and I both agree that murderers (with or without mental forms) deserve to go to prison / specialized medical facilities (note: these are prisons where the mentally impaired can be treated in a way such that they aren't a danger to themselves, to other prisoners, or to the faculty of the prison).

Where we DISAGREE is that you are saying ONLY steroids caused him to murder his family, not the brain damage. Brain damage is FAR more likely to cause this type of behavior than "roid rage". Steroids (especially testosterone cypionate, which Benoit was taking) have been proven in many studies to increase violent behaviors, sure, but the fact that he had an incredibly damaged brain (I think you are underestimating how destroyed this brain was) along with CTE as a result is a much higher probability of being the cause.

Brain damage can effect an individual in many different ways. If brain damage is the case for Seau (as you even stated in your first comment in this thread), we should be lucky it didn't make him a more violent person, and may have just caused severe depression and other disabilities.

Please, read the literature and educate yourself before trying to throw opinions around. I highly recommend you research CTE and the effects of brain damage on the mental state of an individual, I think you might find it interesting and enlightening.

[omik]

Arsenic, the more I've read your posts on this forum, the more I've become convinced that you are either (a) Purely a troll, or (b) Always trying to play devil's advocate.

For his own sake, I sure hope he's trolling. In any case it's not worth wasting your time with. Ignore and move on.

I tend to ignore trolls, but when it comes to something I've studied and researched my entire life (the field of biology) I become a bit more confrontational.

[Norseman]

Schizophrenia isn't really a good example to use when comparing Benoit to a lot of serial killers who claimed schizophrenia a'la Henry Lee Lucas. I seriously doubt their Schizophrenia was caused by physical trauma to the brain, which makes the comparison pointless.

Medical evidence says Benoit's brain was seriously damaged. Brain damage does very strange things to a person's behavior. Erratic/random doesn't begin to describe it. As mentioned earlier, there can be periods of lucidity in between the chaos. I thought Benoit to be a cold blooded murderer too at first, and then I educated myself a bit. Now, I'm not so sure.

In the end it's a tragedy regardless, and to be on topic, concussions are far more serious than most people in sports would care to have admit in the past. Seems like progress is being made but there's a way to go yet.

RIP Seau. One of my favorite players

[LAKESHOW]

I knew JR personally. He was a phenomenal athlete. Mr. Basketball os San Diego in high. School. He was Larger than life ICON in san diego. Maybe he and baseballs tony gwynn were the icons of the.san.diego community. He was a giver. Always...always gave back to the kids and community. The polynesian or samoan community is huge in southern california moreso of course than cities outside of california, and there was no player bigger than jr. Troy polamalu is big as well, but he's based in pennsylvania. But jr was san diego USC and southern california thru and thru. He was one of those guys who you felt his presence when in the room..instant leader of the pack. Alpha dawg personality. Great human being. Rest in peace myh brutha...rest in peace.

[ZedgetRedd]

R.I.P