why arent minority candidates being hired for HC jobs?

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2 Candidates.

Sumlin Texas AM
Shaw Stanford

[JustAwesome]

I don't think there's as much prejudice in the NFL as some are making it seem. A lot of people have shown a willingness to hire black coaches and executives. If we were still in an era where none have been given the chance, then I would believe it a little more. However, we're not. One of the best coaches in the league is Tomlin, and he's with a storied franchise in Pittsburgh. Newsome is the guy that built one of the teams playing the Super Bowl this Sunday.

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I don't think there's as much prejudice in the NFL as some are making it seem. A lot of people have shown a willingness to hire black coaches and executives. If we were still in an era where none have been given the chance, then I would believe it a little more. However, we're not. One of the best coaches in the league is Tomlin, and he's with a storied franchise in Pittsburgh. Newsome is the guy that built one of the teams playing the Super Bowl this Sunday.

You just gave a great example of why more should have been hired.

I refuse to believe that the GMs and owners of the NFL have lowered themselves to the scumbag level of denying deserving people opportunities because of their race. If they were the best candidate, they would be hired.

Unfortunately, it still happens everyday to minorities & women regarding ALL jobs, not just professional football.

[Worm Guts]

I think it's bias, not intentional racism. I'm not sure how you fix it.

[GYBE]

Shocked that a league with the "Redskins" has an image problem with hiring minorities.

[Quake Griffin]

How many top flight minority candidates are there? For every Tony Dungy you get a Mike Singletary. For every Mike Tomlin there's a Raheem Morris.

No real hotshot minority candidates are coming to mind right now. Maybe Stanford's David Shaw?

isn't that the problem?
let's not even discuss white coaching failures.

rod marinelli was a hot shot?
mike tice?
jim haslett?
pat shurmur?
norv turner?
scott linehan?
u know what....lol...that list can go ON AND ON AND ON.

why is it that every time minority hiring comes up, a group of people (nameless people) always go on the defensive to point out that it ISNT RACISM....well, who said it was? The only thing that was pointed out was that there aren't any minority hirings....it's odd that minorities are the people who play the game but aren't in the HC positions.

the question is why is that? and to figure out how to remedy that problem...after all, players generally accept criticism and have a respect for people who are apart of the fraternity (people who have played before)...which is why the subject of woman coaches isn't broached...which is why the subject of gay coaches isn't broached...which is why the subject of disabled coaches isn't broached.

Maybe it's nothing...maybe it's something...but how will we know? Maybe the remedy is absolutely nothing and the issue will work itself out over time
let's try to find out instead of presuming these topics suggest that WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACISTS OMGWTFBBQ YOU NEED TO HIRE SOME BLACK COACHES NAO!

it's an issue of profile, personality and the name getting out there....which is why i love the Rooney Rule...it helps these guys get their name out there so that one FO can tell another "hey Pittsburgh, check out Mike Tomlin, he interviewed well with us here in Miami and he just coached a hell of a defensive team in Minnesota"...and if they don't get the HC job...maybe these guys can grow into star coordinators like Wade Phillips, Spag, Norv, Lebeau etc. etc.

[Icness]

I think it's bias, not intentional racism. I'm not sure how you fix it.

I agree with that 100%

[Blank_Name]

Because unlike the Corporate World where Affirmative Action was attempted, coaches aren't willing to put their careers and lively hood in risk because of race guilt.

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Because unlike the Corporate World where Affirmative Action was attempted, coaches aren't willing to put their careers and lively hood in risk because of race guilt.

Thanks for contributing that.

[Roger Murdock]

I really think the Rooney Rule is overall stupid. The owners and GMs shouldn't be pushed to hire a black head coach. If there is a high caliber black head coach that fits with a team, he'll be hired. The world needs to stop viewing everything (sports specifically) in black and white.

Jake, the Rooney Rule was put into place because the NFL recognized that there was a problem. You can not tell me that for all the past minority players that have played in the NFL, only a handful were smart enough to be Head coaches and/or GMs.

For years the NFL was stuck with what was termed back then "the good ole boys club", where the same Head coaches were being fired from one team for being lousy & re-hired by another team the next season. This went on for a very long time. I'm (unfortunately) old enough to remember.

If this was MLB, then I could understand because most of their present/past players are white or Hispanic. Blacks have dominated both the NFL & NBA, yet the lack of Head coaches & GMs is alarming. I'm not even gonna get into the lack of minority ownership when it comes to the NFL & NBA.

I'm not attempting to turn this into a racial discussion, but at the same time, I'm not gonna bury my head in the sand like it's not an obvious issue.

Well every team is now interviewing black coaches every time there are openings, so unless your suggesting the owners aren't hiring them specifically because they are black, the likely reason they aren't getting the job is because they aren't the most qualified.

[Roger Murdock]

I say that as a fan of a team who would have loved to have gotten Horton as their head coach. I think he will land a job next year.

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I really think the Rooney Rule is overall stupid. The owners and GMs shouldn't be pushed to hire a black head coach. If there is a high caliber black head coach that fits with a team, he'll be hired. The world needs to stop viewing everything (sports specifically) in black and white.

Jake, the Rooney Rule was put into place because the NFL recognized that there was a problem. You can not tell me that for all the past minority players that have played in the NFL, only a handful were smart enough to be Head coaches and/or GMs.

For years the NFL was stuck with what was termed back then "the good ole boys club", where the same Head coaches were being fired from one team for being lousy & re-hired by another team the next season. This went on for a very long time. I'm (unfortunately) old enough to remember.

If this was MLB, then I could understand because most of their present/past players are white or Hispanic. Blacks have dominated both the NFL & NBA, yet the lack of Head coaches & GMs is alarming. I'm not even gonna get into the lack of minority ownership when it comes to the NFL & NBA.

I'm not attempting to turn this into a racial discussion, but at the same time, I'm not gonna bury my head in the sand like it's not an obvious issue.

Well every team is now interviewing black coaches every time there are openings, so unless your suggesting the owners aren't hiring them specifically because they are black, the likely reason they aren't getting the job is because they aren't the most qualified.

Interviewing & hiring are two different things. I tend to believe that it's a lame excuse to say that one particular race is thoroughly more qualified than another race, especially considering that the supposed less qualified race has been the majority of players to actually play the game in my lifetime. What do I know. Maybe every black coach is currently competing for a job against Bill Belichick (IMO, the best coach ever).

That being said, I'm gonna hop out of this particular thread because when people decide to dig in their heels regarding race discussions, they tend to start spewing some ugly things like the "race guilt" guy.

I'm more interested in talking about football. Just football.

[Blank_Name]

Jake, the Rooney Rule was put into place because the NFL recognized that there was a problem. You can not tell me that for all the past minority players that have played in the NFL, only a handful were smart enough to be Head coaches and/or GMs.

For years the NFL was stuck with what was termed back then "the good ole boys club", where the same Head coaches were being fired from one team for being lousy & re-hired by another team the next season. This went on for a very long time. I'm (unfortunately) old enough to remember.

If this was MLB, then I could understand because most of their present/past players are white or Hispanic. Blacks have dominated both the NFL & NBA, yet the lack of Head coaches & GMs is alarming. I'm not even gonna get into the lack of minority ownership when it comes to the NFL & NBA.

I'm not attempting to turn this into a racial discussion, but at the same time, I'm not gonna bury my head in the sand like it's not an obvious issue.

Well every team is now interviewing black coaches every time there are openings, so unless your suggesting the owners aren't hiring them specifically because they are black, the likely reason they aren't getting the job is because they aren't the most qualified.

Interviewing & hiring are two different things. I tend to believe that it's a lame excuse to say that one particular race is thoroughly more qualified than another race, especially considering that the supposed less qualified race has been the majority of players to actually play the game in my lifetime. What do I know. Maybe every black coach is currently competing for a job against Bill Belichick (IMO, the best coach ever).

That being said, I'm gonna hop out of this particular thread because when people decide to dig in their heels regarding race discussions, they tend to start spewing some ugly things like the "race guilt" guy.

I'm more interested in talking about football. Just football.

What kind of answer are you looking for?

The NFL owners are white and most human beings hire within the same social circles: same race, religion, culture. Just look at many of the black assistants Tony Dungy hired. If there were Asian owners then we would see Asian Head Coaches. It's as simple as that.