Tom Brady is the GOAT

[therealbig3]

Except when Elway won, he had Terrell Davis, Rod Smith, Ed Mccaffrey and Shannon Sharpe. How is that a terrible supporting cast?

And great accuracy? He has a career completion percentage of 56.9%. He only has 3 seasons in his career in which he was above 60%. Compare that to Brady, who has a career completion percentage of 63.5% and has never had a season below 60%.

Elway wasn't even close to as accurate as Brady. Even when Brady had a horrendous offensive supporting cast in 2013, he still completed 60.5% of his passes.

Brady's arm strength is as good as anyone's. As is his leadership and pocket presence. Elway was more mobile. It's like comparing Russell Wilson to Tom Brady. Or other physically impressive QBs like Vick, Newton, RG3, etc. Yeah, they're all incredible athletes, and they all have great arms. But would you rather have that, or the guy with just as great of an arm, who is far more accurate and dissects defenses on a much more cerebral level from the pocket?

It's really not even a question imo, Tom Brady is much better than John Elway.

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Elway went to 5 superbowls. 3 were all by himself, his gun, his arm, his leadership and his legs. 2 were provided weapons as mentioned above, and finally won.

Brady was given bellichek. And therby given the consistency in winning.

Elway was all gun slinger for his first 3, and a few more coaches than Brady had.

Bradys coach has always been the same.

[Lala870]

Elway went to 5 superbowls. 3 were all by himself, his gun, his arm, his leadership and his legs. 2 were provided weapons as mentioned above, and finally won.

Brady was given bellichek. And therby given the consistency in winning.

Elway was all gun slinger for his first 3, and a few more coaches than Brady had.

Bradys coach has always been the same.

Brady also had an elite defense early in his career, the clutchest kicker in NFL post season history, belicheck, luck, and the refs.

Brady is not the GOAT at all.

[truth18]

Elway went to 5 superbowls. 3 were all by himself, his gun, his arm, his leadership and his legs. 2 were provided weapons as mentioned above, and finally won.

Brady was given bellichek. And therby given the consistency in winning.

Elway was all gun slinger for his first 3, and a few more coaches than Brady had.

Bradys coach has always been the same.

Brady also had an elite defense early in his career, the clutchest kicker in NFL post season history, belicheck, luck, and the refs.

Brady is not the GOAT at all.

Jordan had Jackson, the refs, Pippen, Grant, Stern, luck (Jazz series).

Jordan is not the GOAT at all.

^no one in the general public, as well as casual/bandwagon fans agrees with the above.

Who is your greatest of all time? Most people are saying it's Brady from media to football freaks, and if they aren't they are saying it's tired between him and Montana.

[afox]

1 Brady 2 Montana 3 Peyton 4 Unitas 5 Bradshaw(cant take away his 4 SBs 2 SB MVPs and 1 Reg Seas MVP) Rodgers well on his way...
Honorable Mention Staubach Elway Marino Favre(cant stand him) Namath Young Aikman

[therealbig3]

Elway went to 5 superbowls. 3 were all by himself, his gun, his arm, his leadership and his legs. 2 were provided weapons as mentioned above, and finally won.

Brady was given bellichek. And therby given the consistency in winning.

Elway was all gun slinger for his first 3, and a few more coaches than Brady had.

Bradys coach has always been the same.

Brady also had an elite defense early in his career, the clutchest kicker in NFL post season history, belicheck, luck, and the refs.

Brady is not the GOAT at all.

LOL, the 49ers were built on an elite defense, and Bill Walsh is one of the greatest coaches of all time too. Montana also played before the salary cap, which made it way easier to keep a consistent team around him.

The double standards that people hold against Brady but not anyone else are pretty insane.

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Okay, lets break it down like this. Who was the elite talented wise? Elway. Biggest arm. Accurate. Strong running ability. Young guys wouldnt know this in todays everythings the greeatest twittervese. Then who was a winner. Both were winners. Both won superbowls. Some say brady and montana were better, because they won 4. But they are not better because of 4. They are winners all winners, because whether 2 or 4 superbowl wins, counless comebacks by each. Etc... theyre all winners. Then it comes to gameplan. Bill walsh and bellichek are ?nown football genius. Walsh practically invented the west coast offense with montana. Brady and bellichek were genius together in their tactics. But elway was a gunslinger who did not have gameplan or talent but for 2 years. Place montana and brady OUTSIDE of their systems, and see how much success they would have. Ithey wouldnt be. Why? They were not physically gifted as elway. Elway and run for his life many a time and gun the ball into triple coverage for completions. Brady cant run, and montanas arm aint that strong. Elway is clearly the superior QB.

[therealbig3]

Okay, lets break it down like this. Who was the elite talented wise? Elway. Biggest arm. Accurate. Strong running ability. Young guys wouldnt know this in todays everythings the greeatest twittervese. Then who was a winner. Both were winners. Both won superbowls. Some say brady and montana were better, because they won 4. But they are not better because of 4. They are winners all winners, because whether 2 or 4 superbowl wins, counless comebacks by each. Etc... theyre all winners. Then it comes to gameplan. Bill walsh and bellichek are ?nown football genius. Walsh practically invented the west coast offense with montana. Brady and bellichek were genius together in their tactics. But elway was a gunslinger who did not have gameplan or talent but for 2 years. Place montana and brady OUTSIDE of their systems, and see how much success they would have. Ithey wouldnt be. Why? They were not physically gifted as elway. Elway and run for his life many a time and gun the ball into triple coverage for completions. Brady cant run, and montanas arm aint that strong. Elway is clearly the superior QB.

But who cares about physical talent? RG3, Wilson, Luck, Newton, Vick...these guys were/are all incredible athletes, more impressive than Elway even. But would anyone seriously take them over Brady?

You think I'm talking about winning to separate them. I'm not. I think Brady was just a superior QB despite not being as physically impressive.

THE most important skills that a QB can have are the abilities to read defenses and to deliver the ball accurately. Brady has done that on a far superior level than Elway. Belichick isn't the reason that Brady throws pinpoint passes to his receivers. And Belichick may have helped Brady develop into a smarter and better overall QB, but Belichick himself has admitted that he needs to know his stuff before discussing things with Brady, because Brady will definitely know everything. At that point, it's not Belichick. It's Tom Brady.

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Exactly. You think his skills and abilities to read defenses are superior to Elway. It isn't, maybe equal if anything. Pinpoint accuracy? He is not superior accuracy wise to Elway. Maybe equal if anything. A student of the game, moreso than Elway? He isn't, maybe equal if anything.

With all things being equal. Theres only 1 glaring difference. His superior physical talent. And that all belongs to Elway.

[afox]

Denver's D was number 1 in scoring and number 3 in yards allowed in 1989. Was top 10 in both in 87. Top 10 yardage 86 too. That D never gets credit...Elway was great...but hes not Brady Montana or Peyton...

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Its difficult discussing these things with folks born around 2004.

[SkyHookFTW]

It's very hard to talk about the GOAT QB because of the numerous rule changes in the NFL. Hell, let Marino play under today's rules and see what would happen--guy might get 6,000 passing yards in a year. A guy like Unitas cannot be discounted, as he played a good deal of his career under the 12-game schedule (robbing him of many opportunities for stats) and during a time when it wasn't illegal to look at a wide receiver with a mean face.

However, all schedule and rule changes aside, I'd take Brady/Montana. Montana had a better team, but he faced defenses that were allowed to play defense. Assuming that one cancels out the other, I'll give the nod to Brady. The man wins, and what more can you ask for? I am a bit impressed that whoever they put out there at WR or in the backfield, it doesn't seem to make too much of a difference. I just wish his wife would shut up and do what she does best, which is stand around and look hot.

[Celtsfan1980]

If the 80's Broncos were in the NFC they never would have made it past the second round.

Namath

I hear Archie Manning also was a great quarterback. And Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. He also deserves an honorable mention.