Is the brutha Kaepernick being blackballed?

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Re: Is the brutha Kaepernick being blackballed? 

Post#61 » by FNQ » Fri May 11, 2018 4:33 pm

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You are confusing participating in a weekend long charity golf tournament once a year with becoming a militant anti-police black power representative, all within a very short span of time.

Does he still work with the Camp Taylor charity, btw? Or are kids with heart disease and the people from the charity he spent four years cooperating with not really that important compared to his other causes now? If indeed he's not fundraising for them, does that mean anything to you?

BTW, the part of his upbringing is relevant in that anyone who goes from someone who was probably whiter than most white people are in terms of upbringing, to become a black power political activist, seemingly overnight, means the dude might well just be a bit lost. And that's relevant because that means his message--which he never really explains because he's not allowed to talk to the media (even the many, many who would gladly support his message in exchange for some interviews)-- might well be hollow, meaning that he is being propped up as something he is not.

That's my take on it, as a 49ers fan that liked him, then watched him turn into a bad QB the more famous he got, and then a rather confusing national hero representing only an image but not anything with much truth behind it.


Not talking about his QBing, I think we can all agree, he's not good.

So if I'm reading this right, you are trying to paint him in a bad light because he's moved on from the Camp Taylor charity to donate to tons of other charities? I mean.. are you arguing just to argue at this point? Are you Sean Hannity? Help me out here. You went from "he didnt do charities before all this" to "well now hes not doing the charities he was doing before". What exactly is the point here?

As for your armchair psychology diagnosis, it's become clear that you value your own inflated sense of being able to dissect someone from afar more than a person's literal, actual, factual contributions to underpriviledged society. Considering he's been donating excessively to charity since he became a well paid NFL player - far pre-dating his kneeling - and was constantly speaking his mind on twitter and other platforms about inequality (no one cared about until he kneeled, proving his point conclusively).. I'm gonna go with no. And its mainly because you are content with working from incomplete information, and putting my own armchair psychologist cap, appear to be working backwards from the answer you want it to be.

As I said before: Kaepernick is a better man than most. He is educated. He has consistently been helping at-risk youth, be it via violence, disease, or poverty. What changed is that he did something controversial and then used that platform not to make himself richer, but to give even more back to the at-risk youth he's helped throughout his career. There is absolutely nothing to substantiate that he's a party boy, and no reason to bring up his upbringing except as a way to excuse your own denigration of the things he has done. Regardless of whether you agree with his kneeling or not, he's been an exceptional human being and tearing him down baselessly is a disgusting act, and you shouldnt be proud of it.
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Re: Is the brutha Kaepernick being blackballed? 

Post#62 » by righterwriter » Fri May 11, 2018 5:19 pm

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You are confusing participating in a weekend long charity golf tournament once a year with becoming a militant anti-police black power representative, all within a very short span of time.

Does he still work with the Camp Taylor charity, btw? Or are kids with heart disease and the people from the charity he spent four years cooperating with not really that important compared to his other causes now? If indeed he's not fundraising for them, does that mean anything to you?

BTW, the part of his upbringing is relevant in that anyone who goes from someone who was probably whiter than most white people are in terms of upbringing, to become a black power political activist, seemingly overnight, means the dude might well just be a bit lost. And that's relevant because that means his message--which he never really explains because he's not allowed to talk to the media (even the many, many who would gladly support his message in exchange for some interviews)-- might well be hollow, meaning that he is being propped up as something he is not.

That's my take on it, as a 49ers fan that liked him, then watched him turn into a bad QB the more famous he got, and then a rather confusing national hero representing only an image but not anything with much truth behind it.



Not talking about his QBing, I think we can all agree, he's not good.

So if I'm reading this right, you are trying to paint him in a bad light because he's moved on from the Camp Taylor charity to donate to tons of other charities? I mean.. are you arguing just to argue at this point? Are you Sean Hannity? Help me out here. You went from "he didnt do charities before all this" to "well now hes not doing the charities he was doing before". What exactly is the point here?


No, unfortunately you aren't reading it right. He went from doing a one weekend a year golf tournament charity amongst his partying in Miami and LA to being the #1 spokesperson for black power. The Camp Taylor event he did was very good, and it's great that he went back four years in a row-- to the point where he clearly had a connection with the people and the cause-- but he then decided that it wasn't worthwhile anymore compared to teaching kids to film cops whenever they talk to them. That to me is strange and a sign of a shift in a person who rapidly changes from who he was to going to a rather extreme place.

As for your armchair psychology diagnosis, it's become clear that you value your own inflated sense of being able to dissect someone from afar more than a person's literal, actual, factual contributions to underpriviledged society. Considering he's been donating excessively to charity since he became a well paid NFL player - far pre-dating his kneeling - and was constantly speaking his mind on twitter and other platforms about inequality (no one cared about until he kneeled, proving his point conclusively).. I'm gonna go with no. And its mainly because you are content with working from incomplete information, and putting my own armchair psychologist cap, appear to be working backwards from the answer you want it to be.


Yeah, I'm a smart dude. I can usually see people for what they are based on their words and actions and the image they choose to give off. I've had friends that were adopted into white families who had a very hard time establishing their identity in their 20's, making them do rash things to try to find some place of internal peace (didn't really work out in the end, as they realized that becoming Korean or going back to the skid row to connect with their biological parents came from wasn't who they really were).

If you have some examples of his regular and excessive donating and working with charity, pre-kneeling, I'd love to read about it. I've researched it and Camp Taylor is the only example I ever found. Also, I never heard a social activism comment from him.

Here's his tweet history from 2011 to 2015... nothing there but hundreds of tweets on generic football stuff and a few tweets about Camp Taylor. https://twitter.com/search?q=kaepernick7%20since%3A2011-01-01%20until%3A2015-01-01&src=typd

As I said before: Kaepernick is a better man than most. He is educated. He has consistently been helping at-risk youth, be it via violence, disease, or poverty. What changed is that he did something controversial and then used that platform not to make himself richer, but to give even more back to the at-risk youth he's helped throughout his career. There is absolutely nothing to substantiate that he's a party boy, and no reason to bring up his upbringing except as a way to excuse your own denigration of the things he has done. Regardless of whether you agree with his kneeling or not, he's been an exceptional human being and tearing him down baselessly is a disgusting act, and you shouldnt be proud of it.


Firstly, you sure he wasn't a party boy? Maybe you missed those few offseasons between when he broke out and then became a political activist.

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That's his right to party. Nothing against him on that. But again, big and very quick change from party boy to a militant social activist

Again, if your definition of helping at-risk youth the way he's doing now, is telling children how to avoid being shot by cops (give me a break) and telling them to film the police to avoid having something planted on them or being murdered, I think we have different ideas of goodwill and leadership.

Let's see how this all turns out with Kaep. I'm going to maintain that he ends up in a dark place and that this attempt at establishing an identity while being super divisive is just part of the process.
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Re: Is the brutha Kaepernick being blackballed? 

Post#63 » by FNQ » Fri May 11, 2018 8:37 pm

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No, unfortunately you aren't reading it right. He went from doing a one weekend a year golf tournament charity amongst his partying in Miami and LA to being the #1 spokesperson for black power. The Camp Taylor event he did was very good, and it's great that he went back four years in a row-- to the point where he clearly had a connection with the people and the cause-- but he then decided that it wasn't worthwhile anymore compared to teaching kids to film cops whenever they talk to them. That to me is strange and a sign of a shift in a person who rapidly changes from who he was to going to a rather extreme place.


So you are saying that if he has started with one charity, he is beholden to them from then on? That is patently ridiculous. He absolutely shifted focus because he is doing a lot more, with a lot more eyes on him. Everyone will be willing to fight for kids with heart disease. Not everyone is willing to fight for social justice like him.


Yeah, I'm a smart dude. I can usually see people for what they are based on their words and actions and the image they choose to give off. I've had friends that were adopted into white families who had a very hard time establishing their identity in their 20's, making them do rash things to try to find some place of internal peace (didn't really work out in the end, as they realized that becoming Korean or going back to the skid row to connect with their biological parents came from wasn't who they really were).

If you have some examples of his regular and excessive donating and working with charity, pre-kneeling, I'd love to read about it. I've researched it and Camp Taylor is the only example I ever found. Also, I never heard a social activism comment from him.

Here's his tweet history from 2011 to 2015... nothing there but hundreds of tweets on generic football stuff and a few tweets about Camp Taylor. https://twitter.com/search?q=kaepernick7%20since%3A2011-01-01%20until%3A2015-01-01&src=typd


Your empirical evidence means nothing.

As for the rest, there's a whole world outside of twitter. Here's a couple good reads:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2016/09/29/where-did-colin-kaepernick-get-start-activist/91232508/
http://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-social-injustice-sat-national-anthem-2016-8

Firstly, you sure he wasn't a party boy? Maybe you missed those few offseasons between when he broke out and then became a political activist.

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That's his right to party. Nothing against him on that. But again, big and very quick change from party boy to a militant social activist


Defining him by one picture of a body shot, a picture with people in Miami in bathing suits (a rare sight to see), and entering a party. I mean.. the definition of walking backwards from the answer.

Again, if your definition of helping at-risk youth the way he's doing now, is telling children how to avoid being shot by cops (give me a break) and telling them to film the police to avoid having something planted on them or being murdered, I think we have different ideas of goodwill and leadership.

Let's see how this all turns out with Kaep. I'm going to maintain that he ends up in a dark place and that this attempt at establishing an identity while being super divisive is just part of the process.


How dare Kaep tell people to know their rights, and to protect themselves. Kap is at least trying to reduce the number of preventable deaths caused by interactions with police. I'd say its a lot more patriotic and good than burning his jersey for not standing for a song. A freaking song.
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Re: Is the brutha Kaepernick being blackballed? 

Post#64 » by Pacers_Freak » Tue May 15, 2018 3:12 pm

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FNQ wrote:He'd be on a team if there was no controversy, but thats not being blackballed. That's the risk you run when you take a stand and you are a marginal talent, potential or not. If Kaep was a + starting QB, he'd have a contract and a team would assume the PR risk*

*the fact that its a risk at all is just baffling to me, but a spade's a spade.

Same deal with Reid.. Nobody wants the distractions


Reid is different in that he's a starter level player who's ascending (just had his best year), Kap was a backup level player who's descending.

I dont necessarily blame the owners. I blame the overreacting people. Teams never burn jerseys when a guy who has assaulted women is signed. But kneeling for an anthem to highlight injustice? Protests.

People's priorities are :censored: up. I'm not even happy with the Raiders for bringing back Tom Cable (DV). But when Gruden mentioned that Kap should be on a team, a ton of Raiders fans were pissed. Maybe a handful were pissed that Cable was brought back, and that was all performance based.

This is why when hardcore sports fans present a political opinion, I'm inclined to tune out. People may not agree with Kap but he's spent the past 2 years doing what everyone criticized him to do: make an impact. Reid has done a ton for the Bay Area community as well.. but those things don't matter. Taking a strong stand for your beliefs - ones that literally dont hurt anyone except in their precious feels - is a worse thing in the NFL than hitting women. And the owners, they are just responding to the market. So I blame the market.


I agree with you, I really do..... BUT I think there are 2 very distinct issues that cause this. #1 The protest are being done on company time. I've hit on this in previous posts. I'm not allowed to protest on my company's time so I totally get the owners stance on this. #2 Comparing the protest outrage vs. the DV situations is a valid point. I think the main difference is that when a player protests on the sidelines there are 80k eyes on it and millions of more eyes on it on the TV. DV violence issues are typically not seen by those type of crowds. Almost out of sight out of mind. Think about Ray Rice. I remember him getting a game or two originally on his DV charge. No one.... and I mean no one said a peep about that being too short. Video comes out, Rice never plays again, people want Goddell and Ravens folks fired, etc. That certainly doesn't make it right, but I think it is a valid reasoning.
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Re: Is the brutha Kaepernick being blackballed? 

Post#65 » by FNQ » Tue May 15, 2018 11:05 pm

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I agree with you, I really do..... BUT I think there are 2 very distinct issues that cause this. #1 The protest are being done on company time. I've hit on this in previous posts. I'm not allowed to protest on my company's time so I totally get the owners stance on this. #2 Comparing the protest outrage vs. the DV situations is a valid point. I think the main difference is that when a player protests on the sidelines there are 80k eyes on it and millions of more eyes on it on the TV. DV violence issues are typically not seen by those type of crowds. Almost out of sight out of mind. Think about Ray Rice. I remember him getting a game or two originally on his DV charge. No one.... and I mean no one said a peep about that being too short. Video comes out, Rice never plays again, people want Goddell and Ravens folks fired, etc. That certainly doesn't make it right, but I think it is a valid reasoning.


#1 - I agree and disagree. Yes, it is company time. However they aren't wasting the company's time, and there is no rule against it. They are free to share their beliefs in interviews as well, which is technically also company time. Now some owners came out against it a lot stronger than others. But are people burning jerseys because they really, really want the football players to maximize their company's time for the owners? No, they are burning it because they have decided that the people who are kneeling - as suggested by serviceman Nate Boyer due to its sign of respect, a la a flag at half-mast - for the injustice (let's called it perceived) against minorities by authority figures.. and said that its disrespectful to the military. What I really don't understand is that.. the flag represents all of us, doesn't it? The whole country? And the players who have knelt are clearly stating why they are doing so. I dunno. Seems straight forward to me. Even if I didnt agree with them, I'd at least acknowledge that its a peaceful protest and they are going out of their way to state that it has nothing to do with the military. Shrug.

#2 - extremely valid point. Witnessing an event is always a much more influential thing, and the Ray Rice incident really proved it. Its when things become real. And I also think people can be influenced extremely easily. For example:

Person 1: Hey, did you see the NFL players kneeling?
2: No I didn't
Person 1: It's just incredibly disrespectful to the military. Here's them kneeling.
2: *sees video, connects them kneeling as disrespectful to military because thats how topic was introduced*

On that note.. can you imagine what the backlash would be if we actually witnessed Greg Hardy throwing that woman onto a bed of guns and threatening her? Yikes.
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Re: Is the brutha Kaepernick being blackballed? 

Post#66 » by Pacers_Freak » Wed May 16, 2018 1:32 pm

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I agree with you, I really do..... BUT I think there are 2 very distinct issues that cause this. #1 The protest are being done on company time. I've hit on this in previous posts. I'm not allowed to protest on my company's time so I totally get the owners stance on this. #2 Comparing the protest outrage vs. the DV situations is a valid point. I think the main difference is that when a player protests on the sidelines there are 80k eyes on it and millions of more eyes on it on the TV. DV violence issues are typically not seen by those type of crowds. Almost out of sight out of mind. Think about Ray Rice. I remember him getting a game or two originally on his DV charge. No one.... and I mean no one said a peep about that being too short. Video comes out, Rice never plays again, people want Goddell and Ravens folks fired, etc. That certainly doesn't make it right, but I think it is a valid reasoning.


#1 - I agree and disagree. Yes, it is company time. However they aren't wasting the company's time, and there is no rule against it. They are free to share their beliefs in interviews as well, which is technically also company time. Now some owners came out against it a lot stronger than others. But are people burning jerseys because they really, really want the football players to maximize their company's time for the owners? No, they are burning it because they have decided that the people who are kneeling - as suggested by serviceman Nate Boyer due to its sign of respect, a la a flag at half-mast - for the injustice (let's called it perceived) against minorities by authority figures.. and said that its disrespectful to the military. What I really don't understand is that.. the flag represents all of us, doesn't it? The whole country? And the players who have knelt are clearly stating why they are doing so. I dunno. Seems straight forward to me. Even if I didnt agree with them, I'd at least acknowledge that its a peaceful protest and they are going out of their way to state that it has nothing to do with the military. Shrug.

#2 - extremely valid point. Witnessing an event is always a much more influential thing, and the Ray Rice incident really proved it. Its when things become real. And I also think people can be influenced extremely easily. For example:

Person 1: Hey, did you see the NFL players kneeling?
2: No I didn't
Person 1: It's just incredibly disrespectful to the military. Here's them kneeling.
2: *sees video, connects them kneeling as disrespectful to military because thats how topic was introduced*

On that note.. can you imagine what the backlash would be if we actually witnessed Greg Hardy throwing that woman onto a bed of guns and threatening her? Yikes.


A bit of a rebuttal to what you said in #1. Regarding company time... there may be no rule against it, but an employer has a right to tell you if he wants certain things done or not. It is his business. Sometimes folks forget there is freedom of speech, but there can also be consequences for freedom of speech. My company doesn't have a rule about standing for the anthem, but if I took a client to a ballgame and I chose not to stand for the anthem and that client told my boss and it effected our business my a** is grass. I had the freedom to do as I chose, but there would be a consequence for that action. That is why this blackball and lawsuit talk cracks me up. The owners own a business. They can hold their employees to whatever expectations (legally) they want to.

To the jersey burning stuff. That is just silly to me. I can't imagine being that upset about the choices of someone I've never even met before. It is silly to me.

I honestly do not care if guys want to kneel. Makes no difference to me. I think it is great when athletes have a platform and speak their mind and have a cause. Me personally.... I think they could have had a little bit better strategy about how they went about bringing attention to the cause. The story has become far more about them kneeling than what they were kneeling for.
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Re: Is the brutha Kaepernick being blackballed? 

Post#67 » by Ballerhogger » Sat May 19, 2018 10:15 pm

I’m kinda shocked the redskins didn’t give him a try

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