Happy we didn't get Gagne?

[Buck You]

We were all very disappointed that we didn't get to trade for Eric Gagne at the trade deadline. But now, he is posting a 15.75 ERA with Boston and has blown a couple games for them. Now it says in the wiretap that the Indians are happy that they didn't trade for him. So, are you all happy that we didn't trade a couple of our young stars, even though one isn't very good, for this guy? So far, I am.

[Howling Mad]

Gagne is a good pitcher. Two games is hardly a large enough sample to judge this trade.

You guys got Linebrink anyways, way before the Gagne trade.

What I thought you guys needed were scrappy guys. (I'm using my guys 'cause I know them) Guys like Fontenot, Theriot, etc.

Your stacked with power hitters, your pitching is awesome. Your bullpen had holes but nothing huge.

As a fan of the opposing team I would've been more scarred if you guys got some scrappy players. I understand the bullpen move because your innings eater got injured and you have tons of young talent with not as much juice to eat up innings, but scrappy guys would've scared the piss out of me.

[ReasonablySober]

Gagne is a good pitcher. Two games is hardly a large enough sample to judge this trade.

You guys got Linebrink anyways, way before the Gagne trade.

What I thought you guys needed were scrappy guys. (I'm using my guys 'cause I know them) Guys like Fontenot, Theriot, etc.

Your stacked with power hitters, your pitching is awesome. Your bullpen had holes but nothing huge.

As a fan of the opposing team I would've been more scarred if you guys got some scrappy players. I understand the bullpen move because your innings eater got injured and you have tons of young talent with not as much juice to eat up innings, but scrappy guys would've scared the piss out of me.

Fixed.

[Ayt]

Scrappy guys?

[Howling Mad]

Scrappy guys?

...instead of ones that swing for the fences... all the time.

Cub fans have experienced an all for nothing team in 04, I know the Prior Wood injuries factored in but I still don't think we could've done that year even if they were healthy. We just didn't have enough guys that ran the bases well, played fundamental defense, bunted on an open opportunity, etc.

Your team reminds me of the 04 Cubs. Power in the outfield, questionable young CF, up and coming third baseman, great pitching staff with a good pitching coach... even Capuano reminds me of Greg Maddux that year. Started off great, throws stuff that isn't overpower, good location, then fell off in the middle of the year and picked it up at the end of the year.


ADD: A three run homerun is great, but first you need to get people on base. When the homerun was off for the 04 Cubs so was the offense. I don't watch enough Brewer games to justify that with your team, but I'm guessing you guys have the same problem.

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[Ayt]

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...instead of ones that swing for the fences... all the time.

Cub fans have experienced an all for nothing team in 04, I know the Prior Wood injuries factored in but I still don't think we could've done that year even if they were healthy. We just didn't have enough guys that ran the bases well, played fundamental defense, bunted on an open opportunity, etc.

Your team reminds me of the 04 Cubs. Power in the outfield, questionable young CF, up and coming third baseman, great pitching staff with a good pitching coach... even Capuano reminds me of Greg Maddux that year. Started off great, throws stuff that isn't overpower, good location, then fell off in the middle of the year and picked it up at the end of the year.


ADD: A three run homerun is great, but first you need to get people on base. When the homerun was off for the 04 Cubs so was the offense. I don't watch enough Brewer games to justify that with your team, but I'm guessing you guys have the same problem.

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The main thing wrong with our team is our pitching staff. I don't know why you think our pitching is good when 4 of our 5 starters have ERA's around 5.00 and our bullpen has holes. The only starter who has been really good this year is Sheets and he's hurt.

Post All-Star, we have the worst team ERA in the NL at 5.29.

[Howling Mad]

Sorry I should say young pitching staff with good potential...

Must be the Cubs haze still around from the Prior Wood hope.

I don't think your pitching staff is all that bad. When Sheets was healthy it made a world of difference. As I stated when he was first injured he is an emotional blow more than anything. Many of your posters said the pitching would be fine; I had no doubts on the talent, I thought they could hold up(which they pretty much have), but your number one pitcher going down is a big big blow. More to the moral than anything. These are young guys and they're not trained to handle something emotional like Sheets' injury.


One of the main reasons I keep chekcing your board is because of the Sheets updates. Haven't seen many, but I'm guessig when he comes back, if healthy, it will revive the team and pitching staff to pre-All Star game form.

[Thunder Muscle]

It could be just a little slump by Gagne. But he wasn't ever that high on leaving and not being a closer. Maybe he just doesn't have that 'edge' not getting the ball in the 9th right now. Its probably an adjustment. I still would've liked having him, but not at the expense of some of the names that were being thrown around.

[trwi7]

It could be just a little slump by Gagne. But he wasn't ever that high on leaving and not being a closer. Maybe he just doesn't have that 'edge' not getting the ball in the 9th right now. Its probably an adjustment. I still would've liked having him, but not at the expense of some of the names that were being thrown around.

Tony Gwynn and Zach Jackson? Why wouldn't you want to get a Gagne type pitcher for them?

And it's not because he wasn't high on not being the closer. It's because he had incentives in his contract if he pitched a certain number of games, got a certain number of saves etc. and he wanted those incentives picked up before he would waive his no trade clause.

[El Duderino]

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The main thing wrong with our team is our pitching staff. I don't know why you think our pitching is good when 4 of our 5 starters have ERA's around 5.00 and our bullpen has holes. The only starter who has been really good this year is Sheets and he's hurt.

Post All-Star, we have the worst team ERA in the NL at 5.29.

Yep

No other reason is close to being the biggest problem on the team right now.The starters consistently are not only giving up to many runs,they don't pitch deep into games which has taxed the bullpen to where that group is now struggling.

You simply can't play consistently winning baseball if your starting rotation isn't getting the job done.The crazy thing is before the year started,most thought the rotation and pitching depth was the biggest strength to the team and there were concerns about the hitting having enough power.

[Thunder Muscle]

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Tony Gwynn and Zach Jackson? Why wouldn't you want to get a Gagne type pitcher for them?

And it's not because he wasn't high on not being the closer. It's because he had incentives in his contract if he pitched a certain number of games, got a certain number of saves etc. and he wanted those incentives picked up before he would waive his no trade clause.

Because you can never have enough young talent and Gagne has been VERY injury prone the past few years. He could wind up on the DL any given day. He was no guarantee. It had its pros and cons...

[trwi7]

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Because you can never have enough young talent and Gagne has been VERY injury prone the past few years. He could wind up on the DL any given day. He was no guarantee. It had its pros and cons...

The word talent with the two players you're referring to is a stretch. Yes he has injury problems but it's not like he has a big contract, it expires at the end of the year and if it would help this year (which it would) then I don't see how it'd be a bad deal.

[El Duderino]

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Because you can never have enough young talent and Gagne has been VERY injury prone the past few years. He could wind up on the DL any given day. He was no guarantee. It had its pros and cons...

IMO Zach Jackson is barely even a prospect anymore,at best he might manage to stick with a big league team as a garbage time relief pitcher.Gwynn i'm not as high on as others in regards to being an everyday player.Not exactly killing a farm system losing those two guys,plus we'd get likely get draft picks in return after Gagne signed with another team in the offseason.