Dak Prescott thread

[Cactus Jack]

Mahomes, the one thing overlooked is that the Chiefs drafted a lot of starters a few drafts ago who turned out great for them.

That is how they stayed up despite high salaries for Mahomes, Jones, Kelsey.

OT, but if Shanahan would stick with the run, he would have won one by now. Change my mind.

Definitely would have won one as OC with the Falcons.

Most definitely. Hell give McCaffrey 35+ carries & they win that game comfortably. It's like he just can't get out of his own way.

[Mr B]

Dak could go out this season and tear his ACL and still get the contract Jerry wants him to take right now in FA next off season.

Or he could have a great statistical season and sign the most lucrative contract in NFL history next off season.

There is no reason for dak to sign now unless jerry offers him like 65m annually.

Even if Jerry offered $65M right now I wouldn’t sign it if I were Dak.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Dak could go out this season and tear his ACL and still get the contract Jerry wants him to take right now in FA next off season.

Or he could have a great statistical season and sign the most lucrative contract in NFL history next off season.

There is no reason for dak to sign now unless jerry offers him like 65m annually.

Even if Jerry offered $65M right now I wouldn’t sign it if I were Dak.

Are you telling us Jerry botched another contract?

[bluejerseyjinx]

How does this help teams dealing with massive cap charges for their stars?

Let's look at the Dallas Cowboys. Quarterback Dak Prescott currently carries a $59.455 million cap charge for 2024. He has one year left on his contract, plus two void years in 2025 and 2026. The Cowboys could lower Prescott's cap number with a contract extension, but in the past they have found it difficult to reach agreement with him on an extension. Plus, the QB has the leverage, since a $59.455 million cap number is brutally high. (The highest in the league in 2023 was Patrick Mahomes' $37 million.)

But again, every team in the league basically found roughly $13 million in cap space just lying on the ground a few weeks ago. So that's $13 million less work the Cowboys have to do to get under the cap. They still probably can't carry a $59.455 million charge for Prescott and operate the rest of their offseason around that. But they might not need to extend him to get where they need to go.

The Cowboys can convert up to $27.79 million of Prescott's $29 million in 2024 salary into a signing bonus. They can do the same with his March 17 roster bonus (assuming they do it before March 17). Just doing those two quick moves -- without adding any more void years to the deal -- would save them $21.86 million in cap space in 2024, and they wouldn't even need Prescott's permission to do it. Now the problem is that the Cowboys would have to carry a dead money charge of $58.32 million for Prescott in 2025 if they don't re-sign him. But they can buy themselves another year to solve that problem with the simple automatic conversion that doesn't require Prescott's approval.
How can anyone in their right mind want to pay a guy like Dak 22 mill more per year than what Mahomes makes? Jerry and Stephen haven't learned a damn thing over the past 3 decades when it comes to bad contracts.

[Mariner]

How does this help teams dealing with massive cap charges for their stars?

Let's look at the Dallas Cowboys. Quarterback Dak Prescott currently carries a $59.455 million cap charge for 2024. He has one year left on his contract, plus two void years in 2025 and 2026. The Cowboys could lower Prescott's cap number with a contract extension, but in the past they have found it difficult to reach agreement with him on an extension. Plus, the QB has the leverage, since a $59.455 million cap number is brutally high. (The highest in the league in 2023 was Patrick Mahomes' $37 million.)

But again, every team in the league basically found roughly $13 million in cap space just lying on the ground a few weeks ago. So that's $13 million less work the Cowboys have to do to get under the cap. They still probably can't carry a $59.455 million charge for Prescott and operate the rest of their offseason around that. But they might not need to extend him to get where they need to go.

The Cowboys can convert up to $27.79 million of Prescott's $29 million in 2024 salary into a signing bonus. They can do the same with his March 17 roster bonus (assuming they do it before March 17). Just doing those two quick moves -- without adding any more void years to the deal -- would save them $21.86 million in cap space in 2024, and they wouldn't even need Prescott's permission to do it. Now the problem is that the Cowboys would have to carry a dead money charge of $58.32 million for Prescott in 2025 if they don't re-sign him. But they can buy themselves another year to solve that problem with the simple automatic conversion that doesn't require Prescott's approval.
How can anyone in their right mind want to pay a guy like Dak 22 mill more per year than what Mahomes makes? Jerry and Stephen haven't learned a damn thing over the past 3 decades when it comes to bad contracts.

They are not paying Dak more than PM at the moment.
Dak is around 10th in the league. I think Daniel Jones is payed the same. The cap number is higher cause they pushed money into the future.

[QB_Eagles]

They are not paying Dak more than PM at the moment.
Dak is around 10th in the league. I think Daniel Jones is payed the same. The cap number is higher cause they pushed money into the future.

It's the other way around. Dak's cap numbers 2021-2023 were moderately low because they pushed money into the future. If he leaves after this season, he would count against the Cowboys cap $55 million in 2024 and $40 million in 2025 (despite not being on the team).

So "at the moment" he has a higher cap hit than Mahomes.

Mahomes' 2025 cap hit is $66 million, but since he isn't leaving the Chiefs anytime soon, they will probably re-structure his contract to create more cap space every 2 years.

[Mariner]

They are not paying Dak more than PM at the moment.
Dak is around 10th in the league. I think Daniel Jones is payed the same. The cap number is higher cause they pushed money into the future.

It's the other way around. Dak's cap numbers 2021-2023 were moderately low because they pushed money into the future. If he leaves after this season, he would count against the Cowboys cap $55 million in 2024 and $40 million in 2025 (despite not being on the team).

So "at the moment" he has a higher cap hit than Mahomes.

Mahomes' 2025 cap hit is $66 million, but since he isn't leaving the Chiefs anytime soon, they will probably re-structure his contract to create more cap space every 2 years.

We are saying the same thing.
I said they pushed money into the future. Which is now and next year.
Daks actual salary is better then his cap number.

[QB_Eagles]

They are not paying Dak more than PM at the moment.
Dak is around 10th in the league. I think Daniel Jones is payed the same. The cap number is higher cause they pushed money into the future.

It's the other way around. Dak's cap numbers 2021-2023 were moderately low because they pushed money into the future. If he leaves after this season, he would count against the Cowboys cap $55 million in 2024 and $40 million in 2025 (despite not being on the team).

So "at the moment" he has a higher cap hit than Mahomes.

Mahomes' 2025 cap hit is $66 million, but since he isn't leaving the Chiefs anytime soon, they will probably re-structure his contract to create more cap space every 2 years.

We are saying the same thing.
I said they pushed money into the future. Which is now and next year.
Daks actual salary is better then his cap number.

The average salary on his contract is fine. But the contract is still an issue for next year. The Cowboys might be fine replacing him, especially if he doesn't have a good season, but that means next season they will have to rebuild (new QB + large dead cap) and I'm not sure if Jerry is down with that.

[Mariner]

It's the other way around. Dak's cap numbers 2021-2023 were moderately low because they pushed money into the future. If he leaves after this season, he would count against the Cowboys cap $55 million in 2024 and $40 million in 2025 (despite not being on the team).

So "at the moment" he has a higher cap hit than Mahomes.

Mahomes' 2025 cap hit is $66 million, but since he isn't leaving the Chiefs anytime soon, they will probably re-structure his contract to create more cap space every 2 years.

We are saying the same thing.
I said they pushed money into the future. Which is now and next year.
Daks actual salary is better then his cap number.

The average salary on his contract is fine. But the contract is still an issue for next year. The Cowboys might be fine replacing him, especially if he doesn't have a good season, but that means next season they will have to rebuild (new QB + large dead cap) and I'm not sure if Jerry is down with that.

All true
My only point was that his contract isn’t bad. Only the cowboys management of it and deferring money is bad.
The bill always comes in.

[bluejerseyjinx]

So if Jerry makes Dak play out his contract and then Dak decides to hit free agency after the season, which teams besides the Giants and Raiders will make a play for him? Maybe the Jets if things don't go well with the Jets again this season, how about the Saints or Tennessee, or perhaps Seattle? Geno seems to be getting frail.

[Cactus Jack]

Dak is staying in Big D.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Dak is staying in Big D.

I don't think so. His only chance is to cash in and go very deep in the playoffs. And I mean very deep. Your hoping they sign him and the Cowboys get sent back another 10 years.

[Mr B]

We are saying the same thing.
I said they pushed money into the future. Which is now and next year.
Daks actual salary is better then his cap number.

The average salary on his contract is fine. But the contract is still an issue for next year. The Cowboys might be fine replacing him, especially if he doesn't have a good season, but that means next season they will have to rebuild (new QB + large dead cap) and I'm not sure if Jerry is down with that.

All true
My only point was that his contract isn’t bad. Only the cowboys management of it and deferring money is bad.
The bill always comes in.

I think it is really Jerry’s delusion that he’s winning the negotiations with Dak (or Lamb or Micah) that irk’s fans. He doesn’t seem to get it, the earlier you do the contract more you’ll save. He thinks that waiting until the last possible second and then caving that he’s somehow won the negotiations.

[Mr B]

So if Jerry makes Dak play out his contract and then Dak decides to hit free agency after the season, which teams besides the Giants and Raiders will make a play for him? Maybe the Jets if things don't go well with the Jets again this season, how about the Saints or Tennessee, or perhaps Seattle? Geno seems to be getting frail.

Besides the Giants and Raiders… Saints, Titans, and Seattle are the other teams however Pittsburgh could be in the mix too. They’re not married to Russell Wilson and Fields could be a bust.

I completely ruled out Arizona and Cleveland when I saw the dead cap numbers for Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson. Yikes! At least we’re not them.

[Cactus Jack]

So if Jerry makes Dak play out his contract and then Dak decides to hit free agency after the season, which teams besides the Giants and Raiders will make a play for him? Maybe the Jets if things don't go well with the Jets again this season, how about the Saints or Tennessee, or perhaps Seattle? Geno seems to be getting frail.

Besides the Giants and Raiders… Saints, Titans, and Seattle...

You don't want Dak to come here, trust me.

He would be the odds-on favorite for MVP in Ryan Grubb's offense. He might even make the Super Bowl with Mike Macdonald's defense.

Cowboy fans like Bjj would have major egg on their face.

Plus, Micah wouldn't deal well with the fallout.

[bluejerseyjinx]

So if Jerry makes Dak play out his contract and then Dak decides to hit free agency after the season, which teams besides the Giants and Raiders will make a play for him? Maybe the Jets if things don't go well with the Jets again this season, how about the Saints or Tennessee, or perhaps Seattle? Geno seems to be getting frail.

Besides the Giants and Raiders… Saints, Titans, and Seattle...

You don't want Dak to come here, trust me.

He would be the odds-on favorite for MVP in Ryan Grubb's offense. He might even make the Super Bowl with Mike Macdonald's defense.

Cowboy fans like Bjj would have major egg on their face.

Plus, Micah wouldn't deal well with the fallout.

[Cactus Jack]

You're proving my point.

At the end of the day, Dak will stay in Dallas. Jerry won't let him walk. He’ll be a Dallas Cowboy for the foreseeable future.

[bluejerseyjinx]

You're proving my point.

At the end of the day, Dak will stay in Dallas. Jerry won't let him walk. He’ll be a Dallas Cowboy for the foreseeable future.

That will just set the Cowboys back another 8-10 years signing that buffoon. I say bite the bullet, let him play out his contract and start tanking this year. 3 years is better than 10. If Jerry signs numb nuts for another 4-5 years, he will just back load everything down the road and it will take 3 years just to recover from that. Jesus.

[Mr B]

You're proving my point.

At the end of the day, Dak will stay in Dallas. Jerry won't let him walk. He’ll be a Dallas Cowboy for the foreseeable future.

That will just set the Cowboys back another 8-10 years signing that buffoon. I say bite the bullet, let him play out his contract and start tanking this year. 3 years is better than 10. If Jerry signs numb nuts for another 4-5 years, he will just back load everything down the road and it will take 3 years just to recover from that. Jesus.

It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.

[bluejerseyjinx]

You're proving my point.

At the end of the day, Dak will stay in Dallas. Jerry won't let him walk. He’ll be a Dallas Cowboy for the foreseeable future.

That will just set the Cowboys back another 8-10 years signing that buffoon. I say bite the bullet, let him play out his contract and start tanking this year. 3 years is better than 10. If Jerry signs numb nuts for another 4-5 years, he will just back load everything down the road and it will take 3 years just to recover from that. Jesus.

It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.

Jerry and Stephen are acting like profit margins are the bottom line.