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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1121 » by Mr B » Sun Aug 4, 2024 4:20 am

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:That will just set the Cowboys back another 8-10 years signing that buffoon. I say bite the bullet, let him play out his contract and start tanking this year. 3 years is better than 10. If Jerry signs numb nuts for another 4-5 years, he will just back load everything down the road and it will take 3 years just to recover from that. Jesus.

It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.

Jerry and Stephen are acting like profit margins are the bottom line.

I understand why they don’t want to pay Dak. It’s because of his playoff record. Dak is a good QB but some of his worst moments have been in the playoffs. He’s earned his payday but if I’m Jerry there’s just no way I can pay him $60M+ per season.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1122 » by C to the K » Sun Aug 4, 2024 5:28 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:You're proving my point.

At the end of the day, Dak will stay in Dallas. Jerry won't let him walk. He’ll be a Dallas Cowboy for the foreseeable future.

That will just set the Cowboys back another 8-10 years signing that buffoon. I say bite the bullet, let him play out his contract and start tanking this year. 3 years is better than 10. If Jerry signs numb nuts for another 4-5 years, he will just back load everything down the road and it will take 3 years just to recover from that. Jesus.

It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.


People act like if the Cowboys cut Dak but keep MM, Dallas would suddenly win playoff games
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Post#1123 » by wco81 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 5:42 pm

Don’t they have to open up cap space by extending Dak in order to give Parsons and Lamb their extensions?
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1124 » by Micah Prescott » Sun Aug 4, 2024 9:00 pm

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Mr B wrote:It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.

Jerry and Stephen are acting like profit margins are the bottom line.

I understand why they don’t want to pay Dak. It’s because of his playoff record. Dak is a good QB but some of his worst moments have been in the playoffs. He’s earned his payday but if I’m Jerry there’s just no way I can pay him $60M+ per season.


It's nothing to do with playoffs, they do this with literally every player. Dak was franchise tagged before they gave him his first deal.

Zeke had to holdout for 40 days to get a deal. They'll probably tag either Lamb or Parsons, force one of them to hold out.

They don't rush to lock up anyone. They always drag it out as far as they possible can.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1125 » by Micah Prescott » Sun Aug 4, 2024 9:02 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:That will just set the Cowboys back another 8-10 years signing that buffoon. I say bite the bullet, let him play out his contract and start tanking this year. 3 years is better than 10. If Jerry signs numb nuts for another 4-5 years, he will just back load everything down the road and it will take 3 years just to recover from that. Jesus.

It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.

Jerry and Stephen are acting like profit margins are the bottom line.

You do know that the phrase "bottom line" in business is in fact a reference to profits and revenue right? :lol:
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1126 » by Mr B » Sun Aug 4, 2024 11:14 pm

C to the K wrote:
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bluejerseyjinx wrote:That will just set the Cowboys back another 8-10 years signing that buffoon. I say bite the bullet, let him play out his contract and start tanking this year. 3 years is better than 10. If Jerry signs numb nuts for another 4-5 years, he will just back load everything down the road and it will take 3 years just to recover from that. Jesus.

It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.


People act like if the Cowboys cut Dak but keep MM, Dallas would suddenly win playoff games

That’s not what people are saying. The fans are just tired of the same **** for the last 30 years. Most fans would rather they tear it down and rebuild with a rookie QB.
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Post#1127 » by wco81 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 11:43 pm

Mr B wrote:
C to the K wrote:
Mr B wrote:It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.


People act like if the Cowboys cut Dak but keep MM, Dallas would suddenly win playoff games

That’s not what people are saying. The fans are just tired of the same **** for the last 30 years. Most fans would rather they tear it down and rebuild with a rookie QB.



Really?

I get the playoffs frustrations but t here's no guarantee that resetting with a rookie will get the team to a higher ceiling.

First the team would have to bottom out to draft a top rookie QB prospect.

What is the team going to do with Parsons and Lamb and some of the other Pro Bowl level players? Just let them walk?

Seems like when the Chargers let go of Schottenheimer years ago, because they couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs, they never returned to the same levels since.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1128 » by Micah Prescott » Mon Aug 5, 2024 12:52 am

wco81 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
C to the K wrote:
People act like if the Cowboys cut Dak but keep MM, Dallas would suddenly win playoff games

That’s not what people are saying. The fans are just tired of the same **** for the last 30 years. Most fans would rather they tear it down and rebuild with a rookie QB.



Really?

I get the playoffs frustrations but t here's no guarantee that resetting with a rookie will get the team to a higher ceiling.

First the team would have to bottom out to draft a top rookie QB prospect.

What is the team going to do with Parsons and Lamb and some of the other Pro Bowl level players? Just let them walk?

Seems like when the Chargers let go of Schottenheimer years ago, because they couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs, they never returned to the same levels since.

Yep, "tanking" in the NFL is something that some fans talk about but that no team in the NFL has ever actually set out to do. It's fantasy conversation, it's dreaming.

There are too many positional needs in the NFL for it to make any sense to throw everything away just for one QB. The Panthers just drafted a QB #1 overall and they are still several key pieces away from just being a playoff team.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1129 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 5, 2024 2:16 am

The "Rebuild" talk is nonsense. Dallas has the pieces in place to contend at the moment.

If your plan is to move on from Dak, then trading him prior to the draft made the most sense. Using that extra draft capital to find his replacement. But that time has passed.

Which leads me to believe that both sides are playing hardball currently. But a deal will eventually get worked out between the two.

Letting him get to free agency with no compensation is just bad management. Jerry is too smart for that. :wink:
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1130 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 5, 2024 2:23 am

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Jerry and Stephen are acting like profit margins are the bottom line.

I understand why they don’t want to pay Dak. It’s because of his playoff record. Dak is a good QB but some of his worst moments have been in the playoffs. He’s earned his payday but if I’m Jerry there’s just no way I can pay him $60M+ per season.

They don't rush to lock up anyone. They always drag it out as far as they possible can.

Right.

Not the most common sense approach. But that's seems to be the plan here.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1131 » by Mr B » Mon Aug 5, 2024 3:57 am

wco81 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
C to the K wrote:
People act like if the Cowboys cut Dak but keep MM, Dallas would suddenly win playoff games

That’s not what people are saying. The fans are just tired of the same **** for the last 30 years. Most fans would rather they tear it down and rebuild with a rookie QB.



Really?

I get the playoffs frustrations but t here's no guarantee that resetting with a rookie will get the team to a higher ceiling.

First the team would have to bottom out to draft a top rookie QB prospect.

What is the team going to do with Parsons and Lamb and some of the other Pro Bowl level players? Just let them walk?

Seems like when the Chargers let go of Schottenheimer years ago, because they couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs, they never returned to the same levels since.

Well in today’s NFL you don’t have to draft a QB at the top of round 1 to be successful. If you build a good-great OL and have a good running game you can succeed with an efficient “bus driver” type QB. The Cowboys have also been really good at drafting. So they don’t have to complete tank to get their next QB.

Dak has hit his ceiling. He’s a really good regular season QB but just can’t handle the pressure of the playoffs as the Cowboys QB. Paying him $60M+ per season will limit what the Cowboys can do. If he’s proven he can’t get it done I’d rather they start looking for the next QB of the future.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1132 » by Mr B » Mon Aug 5, 2024 4:00 am

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wco81 wrote:
Mr B wrote:That’s not what people are saying. The fans are just tired of the same **** for the last 30 years. Most fans would rather they tear it down and rebuild with a rookie QB.



Really?

I get the playoffs frustrations but t here's no guarantee that resetting with a rookie will get the team to a higher ceiling.

First the team would have to bottom out to draft a top rookie QB prospect.

What is the team going to do with Parsons and Lamb and some of the other Pro Bowl level players? Just let them walk?

Seems like when the Chargers let go of Schottenheimer years ago, because they couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs, they never returned to the same levels since.

Yep, "tanking" in the NFL is something that some fans talk about but that no team in the NFL has ever actually set out to do. It's fantasy conversation, it's dreaming.

There are too many positional needs in the NFL for it to make any sense to throw everything away just for one QB. The Panthers just drafted a QB #1 overall and they are still several key pieces away from just being a playoff team.

No one is talking about tanking. We’ve had this discussion before and we all know the Jones’ will never tank. As I stated many times before in today’s NFL you don’t have to draft a QB in the top of the 1sr round to find your franchise QB. If the rest of your team is good (OL, RB, skill players). It makes zero sense to give a guy a 1/3 of your cap when he’s proven he’s not a good playoff QB.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1133 » by Mr B » Mon Aug 5, 2024 4:05 am

Cactus Jack wrote:The "Rebuild" talk is nonsense. Dallas has the pieces in place to contend at the moment.

If your plan is to move on from Dak, then trading him prior to the draft made the most sense. Using that extra draft capital to find his replacement. But that time has passed.

Which leads me to believe that both sides are playing hardball currently. But a deal will eventually get worked out between the two.

Letting him get to free agency with no compensation is just bad management. Jerry is too smart for that. :wink:

They can’t trade him. He has a no trade clause and no tag clause in his contract. Make no mistake he’s hitting free agency. I still say he’s going to end up signing for close to $70M when he hits to open market.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1134 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 5, 2024 5:41 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:The "Rebuild" talk is nonsense. Dallas has the pieces in place to contend at the moment.

If your plan is to move on from Dak, then trading him prior to the draft made the most sense. Using that extra draft capital to find his replacement. But that time has passed.

Which leads me to believe that both sides are playing hardball currently. But a deal will eventually get worked out between the two.

Letting him get to free agency with no compensation is just bad management. Jerry is too smart for that. :wink:

They can’t trade him. He has a no trade clause and no tag clause in his contract. Make no mistake he’s hitting free agency. I still say he’s going to end up signing for close to $70M when he hits to open market.

Technically, they can trade him, but they won't. :wink:

Jerry got himself in a pickle.

They should've moved him earlier this offseason & gotten a haul of picks. The no trade clause is an easy thing to get around. Russ also had one. There would've been plenty of teams interested. But letting him walk is just extremely poor asset management.

At the end of the day, I still think they get something done.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1135 » by Mariner » Mon Aug 5, 2024 1:26 pm

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Mr B wrote:I understand why they don’t want to pay Dak. It’s because of his playoff record. Dak is a good QB but some of his worst moments have been in the playoffs. He’s earned his payday but if I’m Jerry there’s just no way I can pay him $60M+ per season.

They don't rush to lock up anyone. They always drag it out as far as they possible can.

Right.

Not the most common sense approach. But that's seems to be the plan here.

I don’t understand why everyone assumes the cowboys wait. Why not give credit to the player for waiting? Did the commanders and Viking wait on Cousins? It was Cousins who dictated his free agency.
When Dak was a rookie he already netted 100 million in endorsements after 4 years. So when the cowboys offered him guaranteed money he wasn’t eager to sign.
Cowboy players have more leverage than other players.
The larger fan base puts more pressure to sign the players.
Everyone knows the longer you wait the more you get paid. Guess what? The players realize this too.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1136 » by Mariner » Mon Aug 5, 2024 4:11 pm

Something that we all have to understand.
Dak doesn’t just want to be the highest paid player. He wants to shatter it. While it is his right,he should take some responsibility for the contract not getting done.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1137 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 5, 2024 4:19 pm

Mariner wrote:Something that we all have to understand.
Dak doesn’t just want to be the highest paid player. He wants to shatter it. While it is his right,he should take some responsibility for the contract not getting done.

Sorry, but I prefer to poke fun at Jerry. Stop being a buzz kill by being logical. :wink:
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1138 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Aug 5, 2024 4:19 pm

Mariner wrote:Something that we all have to understand.
Dak doesn’t just want to be the highest paid player. He wants to shatter it. While it is his right,he should take some responsibility for the contract not getting done.

It was just over a month ago Dak was quoted saying money had very little or nothing to do as motivation for his next contract.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1139 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Aug 5, 2024 4:21 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.

Jerry and Stephen are acting like profit margins are the bottom line.

You do know that the phrase "bottom line" in business is in fact a reference to profits and revenue right? :lol:

Never mind. :lol: Once again its way over your head.
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Re: Dak Prescott thread 

Post#1140 » by QB_Eagles » Mon Aug 5, 2024 4:28 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:It won’t set them back because they still have a talented team however they won’t be moving forward either. Resigning Dak and bringing back MM would mean we would continue to have a good regular season team but no one should expect any playoff success.

Jerry and Stephen are acting like profit margins are the bottom line.

You do know that the phrase "bottom line" in business is in fact a reference to profits and revenue right? :lol:

But we're talking about sports, where winning should be the bottom line.

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