2025 Draft thread

[DOT]

So what is the argument for Hunter over McMillan?

I really don’t care about the 2 way thing. Give me an elite WR or DB over just an okay WR/DB.

And when it comes to a WR prospect. I feel like McMillan is several tiers above Hunter.

I would say mostly it's a speed thing. Tet's only real numbers were in the 4.55 range, all hand timed at his pro day, which isn't good for a WR

Tet having middling speed limits his ceiling as a WR. People see him closer to Drake London (still a really good WR) than Mike Evans

I know more than a few draft guys who have Hunter as the #1 CB and the #1 WR, even assuming he only plays 1 position in the pros, which increases the number of teams who would theoretically draft him high, as both those positions are ones you only take high if you need them.

Does it though? Adams, Kupp, Thomas, Hopkins, AJ Brown (4.49 40), St Brown are all recent All Pro WRs who ran in the 4.5s or worse. McMillan is far bigger than any of those guys as well.

Yeah, that's why Tet is getting top 5 buzz. He's a really good WR prospect, and one of the 3 guys I want the Jags to take at 5 (assuming both Hunter and Carter are off the board, they're my 2 true blue chip guys who you take no matter what)

It's just that those guys are rarer and require a level of polish he doesn't have, where Hunter is on a similar level or even better of a route runner, but is faster and therefore a tad bit higher

It's like Malik Nabers vs Marvin Harrison Jr. last year, except Tet isn't nearly the route runner that Harrison was, so he'd go after Hunter even if Hunter was just a WR.

[azcatz11]

So what is the argument for Hunter over McMillan?

I really don’t care about the 2 way thing. Give me an elite WR or DB over just an okay WR/DB.

And when it comes to a WR prospect. I feel like McMillan is several tiers above Hunter.

I don't think teams are as enamored with T-Mac. I don't think he's going to be the 1st receiver to come off the board. I think Golden goes before him.

If that pushes Tet down to 12 I’d be cool with that.

He does not go by Tet. It is TMAC.

[Cactus Jack]

I don't think teams are as enamored with T-Mac. I don't think he's going to be the 1st receiver to come off the board. I think Golden goes before him.

If that pushes Tet down to 12 I’d be cool with that.

He does not go by Tet. It is TMAC.

As someone who's followed him what's your outlook on him? I thought he played better in 2023.

[azcatz11]

If that pushes Tet down to 12 I’d be cool with that.

He does not go by Tet. It is TMAC.

As someone who's followed him what's your outlook on him? I thought he played better in 2023.

Hard to say IMO.

He ran a 4.48 at his pro day the other day or yesterday (can't remember) Arizona did not have a running game last year and we also had no good WR's other than him. It was basically Fifita throwing it to him every passing play.

He wins alot on 50/50 balls and clearly has deep speed however I think there is a question if he is Drake London 2.0 or maybe even a worse version of London since London is more explosive. Not that there is anything wrong with that but I'm not sure he's going to step right into an X receiver and be the type of guy you can have run an entire route tree.

[Cactus Jack]

He does not go by Tet. It is TMAC.

As someone who's followed him what's your outlook on him? I thought he played better in 2023.

Hard to say IMO.

He ran a 4.48 at his pro day the other day or yesterday (can't remember) Arizona did not have a running game last year and we also had no good WR's other than him. It was basically Fifita throwing it to him every passing play.

He wins alot on 50/50 balls and clearly has deep speed however I think there is a question if he is Drake London 2.0 or maybe even a worse version of London since London is more explosive. Not that there is anything wrong with that but I'm not sure he's going to step right into an X receiver and be the type of guy you can have run an entire route tree.

Yeah, I think he's closer to being a #2 rather than a legit 1.

[wco81]

Assuming that Millroe isn’t a head case like JaMarcus Russell, why wouldn’t he be able to do some of the things Hurts has done?

Of course Hurts is behind a dominant OL with great WRs, TE and RB.

I’m not saying some team will unlock his athleticism. But Allen fell in the draft because he didn’t have accuracy until his second year when he took an unprecedented jump.

A lot of what he does is still off schedule stuff. Same is true for Jackson too.

I don’t know if Millroe can be the playmakers they are. But he seems to have the physical tools.


It’s going to come down to the mental aspects of the game, especially after he’s coached up to at least make simple reads and the play caller giving him some defined reads.

Who knows though he wouldn’t be the first prospect with vey good physical tools who flame out in the NFL.

Sanders seems like a risk to me because of his physical limitations. Yet he may be a top 10 or even top 5 pick.

Bryce Young was the top pick of his draft, which should imply Multiple All-Pro or MVP contender. That seems unlikely.

[QB_Eagles]

I don't think teams are as enamored with T-Mac. I don't think he's going to be the 1st receiver to come off the board. I think Golden goes before him.

If that pushes Tet down to 12 I’d be cool with that.

He does not go by Tet. It is TMAC.

I call him Tet Offensive because he will surprise people.

[Mr B]

I don't think teams are as enamored with T-Mac. I don't think he's going to be the 1st receiver to come off the board. I think Golden goes before him.

If that pushes Tet down to 12 I’d be cool with that.

He does not go by Tet. It is TMAC.

Yet somehow you knew exactly who I was talking about.

[Mr B]

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[Cactus Jack]

Anyone here remember the Zack Wilson & Malik Willis Pro-days??

[Jaydubb]

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Will be a nice pick for the eagles in the 2nd round.

[Jaydubb]

Anyone here remember the Zack Wilson & Malik Willis Pro-days??

I bought the zack Wilson hype. Some of the throws he was making in college just looked insane.

[Cactus Jack]

Anyone here remember the Zack Wilson & Malik Willis Pro-days??

I bought the zack Wilson hype. Some of the throws he was making in college just looked insane.

Wilson, Willis, Richardson...We see this all the time. So, why do people keep falling for it.

He can run really fast & his passes look great when throwing against air. But none of that really matters.

[Jaydubb]

Anyone here remember the Zack Wilson & Malik Willis Pro-days??

I bought the zack Wilson hype. Some of the throws he was making in college just looked insane.

Wilson, Willis, Richardson...We see this all the time. So, why do people keep falling for it.

He can run really fast & throw the ball really far. Guess what? It doesn't always translate.

True. On a serious note, I think with quarterbacks it’s more important to see him in the film room dissecting plays, going through scenarios, and who should be the target against specific defenses.

College tape, film room/intellect, character, body type, then the athletic scores. But the athletic scores should be more of a “oh and by the way he can also run really fast” instead of “ohhh shitttt this guy runs a 4.37, we HAVE TO DRAFT HIM”. The athletic scores should be more of an afterthought than the main attraction.

[Jaydubb]

Maybe 15-20 years ago I used to really love looking up 40 times for the WR groups but then I saw that most of the top 40 times for WRs would eventually become busts.lol Raiders always draft the fastest guy and nowadays I just know he’s bound to be a bust lol

[Mr B]

Anyone here remember the Zack Wilson & Malik Willis Pro-days??

I bought the zack Wilson hype. Some of the throws he was making in college just looked insane.

Wilson, Willis, Richardson...We see this all the time. So, why do people keep falling for it.

He can run really fast & his passes look great when throwing against air. But none of that really matters.

I tried to tell you. Every year there are QB’s who “sneak” into the 1st round. This year it’s looking like Jaxon Dart, Quinn Ewers, or Jalen Milroe could all “sneak” into the 1st round.

[Cactus Jack]

Wilson, Willis, Richardson...We see this all the time. So, why do people keep falling for it.

He can run really fast & his passes look great when throwing against air. But none of that really matters.

I tried to tell you. Every year there are QB’s who “sneak” into the 1st round. This year it’s looking like Jaxon Dart, Quinn Ewers, or Jalen Milroe could all “sneak” into the 1st round.

1st Round? Ewers definitely won't. I have my doubts about Milroe. But it's possible. But none of those guys will go Top 10.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I bought the zack Wilson hype. Some of the throws he was making in college just looked insane.

Wilson, Willis, Richardson...We see this all the time. So, why do people keep falling for it.

He can run really fast & throw the ball really far. Guess what? It doesn't always translate.

True. On a serious note, I think with quarterbacks it’s more important to see him in the film room dissecting plays, going through scenarios, and who should be the target against specific defenses.

College tape, film room/intellect, character, body type, then the athletic scores. But the athletic scores should be more of a “oh and by the way he can also run really fast” instead of “ohhh shitttt this guy runs a 4.37, we HAVE TO DRAFT HIM”. The athletic scores should be more of an afterthought than the main attraction.

[bluejerseyjinx]

This is the most boring draft I can remember in awhile. It's all OL / DL dudes after the first 5 picks.

It's not a great draft compared to last year's. Not a ton of blue-chip caliber guys available. But if you need trench help than it's not bad. Good year for lineman.

I just don’t have much interest tbh. This could be a situation where the second and third rounds are far more interesting than round 1. Especially with the rb’s.

Seems like cam ward is basically a lock at #1.

I wish BJJ was here I want to hear his thoughts

That's because this year's draft is weak like Jack has been saying. Only 16 of the projected 32 players in this year's draft have round 1 grade evaluations. My feeling is is late round 1 and round 2 is where most of the surprises come from.

[azcatz11]

It's not a great draft compared to last year's. Not a ton of blue-chip caliber guys available. But if you need trench help than it's not bad. Good year for lineman.

I just don’t have much interest tbh. This could be a situation where the second and third rounds are far more interesting than round 1. Especially with the rb’s.

Seems like cam ward is basically a lock at #1.

I wish BJJ was here I want to hear his thoughts

That's because this year's draft is weak like Jack has been saying. Only 16 of the projected 32 players in this year's draft have round 1 grade evaluations. My feeling is is late round 1 and round 2 is where most of the surprises come from.

Todd mcshay is saying possibly 2 rbs in the top 15…