NFC East

[last stand]

The issue with sirianni is the way with which they collapsed. No one would feel this way if jalen missed 7 games, or AJ got hurt early, or the eagles lost 3 offensive lineman to injury. Yada yada

What’s concerning is offensively (which is where all the money is) they were healthy. And sirianni is an offensive head coach. The fact that they got off to slow starts like 11 weeks in a row, things didn’t really get fixed, and then the wheels fell off and the whole thing collapsed is a really bad sign

How often to teams with the eagles talent on offense collapse? I mean even the dolphins weren’t stringing together losses like this.

I’ve said this before but all teams have bad stretches. That’s not the mark of a bad coach. What makes Nick concerning is the bad stretch never stopped. It seems like he has no answers, no way to fix it. His firing of desai was a disaster. Desais defensive numbers compared to Patricia’s are in different atmospheres. 3 years in an inability to create blitz fighting concepts to protect drives.

If they get beat by Tampa I think the eagles will make a move. I do like sirianni as a person and wish he had been a better head coach

[Mamba42]

Not sure if it’s confirmed but it looks like the eagles get the dreaded Monday night game.
Cowboys Sunday afternoon.

Thank God we avoided that one. I hated the MNF game.

Eagles should beat the Bucs. A big question on whether it will save Sirianni's job or not though. If he got a win over the 49ers I think it would for sure.

[Mamba42]

The issue with sirianni is the way with which they collapsed. No one would feel this way if jalen missed 7 games, or AJ got hurt early, or the eagles lost 3 offensive lineman to injury. Yada yada

What’s concerning is offensively (which is where all the money is) they were healthy. And sirianni is an offensive head coach. The fact that they got off to slow starts like 11 weeks in a row, things didn’t really get fixed, and then the wheels fell off and the whole thing collapsed is a really bad sign

How often to teams with the eagles talent on offense collapse? I mean even the dolphins weren’t stringing together losses like this.

I’ve said this before but all teams have bad stretches. That’s not the mark of a bad coach. What makes Nick concerning is the bad stretch never stopped. It seems like he has no answers, no way to fix it. His firing of desai was a disaster. Desais defensive numbers compared to Patricia’s are in different atmospheres. 3 years in an inability to create blitz fighting concepts to protect drives.

If they get beat by Tampa I think the eagles will make a move. I do like sirianni as a person and wish he had been a better head coach

Zero doubt Sirianni is fired if they lost to TB. TB is probably the worst team in the playoffs (Packers a close second). Their game against the Panthers yesterday was ugly. Eagles should roll. I think they'll beat TB and then likely go to the play SF (assuming Dallas beats GB). It will come down to how well they play SF. Win and Sirianni keeps the job. Play well and lose a close game? I think he keeps the job. Lose in a blowout? Straight to jail.

[Jaydubb]

Not sure if it’s confirmed but it looks like the eagles get the dreaded Monday night game.
Cowboys Sunday afternoon.

Thank God we avoided that one. I hated the MNF game.

Eagles should beat the Bucs. A big question on whether it will save Sirianni's job or not though. If he got a win over the 49ers I think it would for sure.

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Eagles should beat the Buccaneers.

[SurfAndTurf]

Not sure if it’s confirmed but it looks like the eagles get the dreaded Monday night game.
Cowboys Sunday afternoon.

Thank God we avoided that one. I hated the MNF game.

Eagles should beat the Bucs. A big question on whether it will save Sirianni's job or not though. If he got a win over the 49ers I think it would for sure.

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Eagles should beat the Buccaneers.

There’s really not . Sunday was 1 of the first Eagle game I havnt watched .But It’s so odd . Even a lot of the games they won they probably shouldn’t have . At least 3 anyway . It’s gotta be the coach . There’s too much talent on both lines alone for this to be happening . And how did the defense get worse under Patricia ?

[last stand]

The issue with sirianni is the way with which they collapsed. No one would feel this way if jalen missed 7 games, or AJ got hurt early, or the eagles lost 3 offensive lineman to injury. Yada yada

What’s concerning is offensively (which is where all the money is) they were healthy. And sirianni is an offensive head coach. The fact that they got off to slow starts like 11 weeks in a row, things didn’t really get fixed, and then the wheels fell off and the whole thing collapsed is a really bad sign

How often to teams with the eagles talent on offense collapse? I mean even the dolphins weren’t stringing together losses like this.

I’ve said this before but all teams have bad stretches. That’s not the mark of a bad coach. What makes Nick concerning is the bad stretch never stopped. It seems like he has no answers, no way to fix it. His firing of desai was a disaster. Desais defensive numbers compared to Patricia’s are in different atmospheres. 3 years in an inability to create blitz fighting concepts to protect drives.

If they get beat by Tampa I think the eagles will make a move. I do like sirianni as a person and wish he had been a better head coach

Zero doubt Sirianni is fired if they lost to TB. TB is probably the worst team in the playoffs (Packers a close second). Their game against the Panthers yesterday was ugly. Eagles should roll. I think they'll beat TB and then likely go to the play SF (assuming Dallas beats GB). It will come down to how well they play SF. Win and Sirianni keeps the job. Play well and lose a close game? I think he keeps the job. Lose in a blowout? Straight to jail.

I agree with most of this. Thing is sports are very circumstantial

I’ve felt for years that had the eagles traded wentz in 2018 after the Super Bowl, got a kings ransom Doug would still be the coach

I always felt wentz was fighting a losing battle. He never shook the shadow of foles and tried to become more than he was. Developed bad habits and it consumed wentz, Doug and the franchise. Doug and wentz both would’ve benefited from wentz going elsewhere in 2018 and developing under a new head coach and Doug would’ve benefitted from a lower cap hit QB, who’d run his system while the found another QB to develop and drafted a ton of players with all the picks they’d have gotten. Which would’ve been substantial. Like 2 1sts 2 2nds yada yada

The circumstance here is I think had the eagles won the Super Bowl sirianni would’ve been here a while. The pressure would be lifted off of the players. But losing the superbowl immediately had the players on edge. All the beat writers have talked about how the eagles players never seemed like they were having fun, they seemed miserable. Nick feeling the pressure to get back to the Super Bowl clearly caused him to make a panic move in firing desai. Jalen clearly feeling pressure to be a hero started pressing.

I think you either have to fire sirianni or gut the team. Which I felt the eagles should gut the team in 2020 and keep Doug. I feel differently here. I think jalen, AJ, devonta, goedert, the OL is a recipe for dominance with the right offensive coach. And hopefully the front office can at minimum move off the fangio defense and pursue a more aggressive defense. Idk what system Ryan Nielsen runs in Atlanta but bring him in to run the defense.

[last stand]

Not sure if it’s confirmed but it looks like the eagles get the dreaded Monday night game.
Cowboys Sunday afternoon.

Thank God we avoided that one. I hated the MNF game.

Eagles should beat the Bucs. A big question on whether it will save Sirianni's job or not though. If he got a win over the 49ers I think it would for sure.

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Eagles should beat the Buccaneers.

Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are going to eat well on Monday

[Mariner]

For my eagle friends
Things are not as bad as it seems.
The defensive secondary needs fixing. You still have a good pass rush and offense. The offense can improve and might need tweaking but it’s really the defense that needs fixing. It’s hard on an offense to perform when the other team has the ball for 40 minutes.
Fix the defensive secondary and the rest will take it of itself.

[wembambamya]

Thank God we avoided that one. I hated the MNF game.

Eagles should beat the Bucs. A big question on whether it will save Sirianni's job or not though. If he got a win over the 49ers I think it would for sure.

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Eagles should beat the Buccaneers.

Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are going to eat well on Monday

Our secondary isnt much better lol

[last stand]

For my eagle friends
Things are not as bad as it seems.
The defensive secondary needs fixing. You still have a good pass rush and offense. The offense can improve and might need tweaking but it’s really the defense that needs fixing. It’s hard on an offense to perform when the other team has the ball for 40 minutes.
Fix the defensive secondary and the rest will take it of itself.

Oh I know, the pieces are there. I’m thinking from a jalen hurts standpoint. When I see people breakdown the offense and say it’s a high school offense. They have no answers to blitzes. The offense is AJ brown and Devonta go win.

Jalen hurts was just given 250 million. They need to make good on that. They likely won’t get lucky 3 times in a row. Landing Jalen hurts after they completely screwed the pooch with Carson’s development was a gift. They have to make sure that investment also doesn’t become a sunk cost. They have to make sure bad habits don’t develop, that he’s taught the right ways to do things, more importantly that he has the right opportunities to do things the right way.

Guys are open, playcalling is being done to build off the previous play. Things are in a rhythm.

Long developing routes with minimal outlets in a league routinely blitzing or defending the big play is craziness. The eagles routinely have all there guys 15 yards down the field.

I just think they’re destined to create bad habits in Jalen if they keep this trajectory. Jalen is playing hero ball, Nick/brian are gameplanning swinging for the fences on every play. They don’t attack defenses. They try to score big and fast. They don’t earn anything. I think it’s more important to protect what I think is a great asset in jalen hurts. He broke records in the Super Bowl. He’s got worlds of potential. Get someone to accentuate it

[last stand]

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Eagles should beat the Buccaneers.

Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are going to eat well on Monday

Our secondary isnt much better lol

Just blitz and as long as you drop 5 guys back about 10-15 yards you’ll probably force Jalen to roll right and nothing to happen

Trust me. If the giants can do it the bucs can with Todd Bowles

[wembambamya]

Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are going to eat well on Monday

Our secondary isnt much better lol

Just blitz and as long as you drop 5 guys back about 10-15 yards you’ll probably force Jalen to roll right and nothing to happen

Trust me. If the giants can do it the bucs can with Todd Bowles

We'll see, I think it is 50-50, Baker has been better than people think but at the end Eagles are more talented.

[LAKESHOW]

Eagles Collapse? As some here say? Here's what happened:
You can't run a certain style all season long that taxes and punishes the front line from the beginning to the end. It takes a toll. It punishes the body.
The Eagles pounded the front the whole first half of the season. Then they should have taken the foot off the gas pedal and gotten some rest. 2 Full Seasons of pounding and the guys are gonna get beat up. And now? If they win thru this playoff run, I will bow down and honor the front linemen. Because those guys are putting it all on the line for this 2 year run

[Jaydubb]

Eagles Collapse? As some here say? Here's what happened:
You can't run a certain style all season long that taxes and punishes the front line from the beginning to the end. It takes a toll. It punishes the body.
The Eagles pounded the front the whole first half of the season. Then they should have taken the foot off the gas pedal and gotten some rest. 2 Full Seasons of pounding and the guys are gonna get beat up. And now? If they win thru this playoff run, I will bow down and honor the front linemen. Because those guys are putting it all on the line for this 2 year run

Are you implying that the offensive line is the issue for the eagles?

[Mamba42]

The issue with sirianni is the way with which they collapsed. No one would feel this way if jalen missed 7 games, or AJ got hurt early, or the eagles lost 3 offensive lineman to injury. Yada yada

What’s concerning is offensively (which is where all the money is) they were healthy. And sirianni is an offensive head coach. The fact that they got off to slow starts like 11 weeks in a row, things didn’t really get fixed, and then the wheels fell off and the whole thing collapsed is a really bad sign

How often to teams with the eagles talent on offense collapse? I mean even the dolphins weren’t stringing together losses like this.

I’ve said this before but all teams have bad stretches. That’s not the mark of a bad coach. What makes Nick concerning is the bad stretch never stopped. It seems like he has no answers, no way to fix it. His firing of desai was a disaster. Desais defensive numbers compared to Patricia’s are in different atmospheres. 3 years in an inability to create blitz fighting concepts to protect drives.

If they get beat by Tampa I think the eagles will make a move. I do like sirianni as a person and wish he had been a better head coach

Zero doubt Sirianni is fired if they lost to TB. TB is probably the worst team in the playoffs (Packers a close second). Their game against the Panthers yesterday was ugly. Eagles should roll. I think they'll beat TB and then likely go to the play SF (assuming Dallas beats GB). It will come down to how well they play SF. Win and Sirianni keeps the job. Play well and lose a close game? I think he keeps the job. Lose in a blowout? Straight to jail.

I agree with most of this. Thing is sports are very circumstantial

I’ve felt for years that had the eagles traded wentz in 2018 after the Super Bowl, got a kings ransom Doug would still be the coach

I always felt wentz was fighting a losing battle. He never shook the shadow of foles and tried to become more than he was. Developed bad habits and it consumed wentz, Doug and the franchise. Doug and wentz both would’ve benefited from wentz going elsewhere in 2018 and developing under a new head coach and Doug would’ve benefitted from a lower cap hit QB, who’d run his system while the found another QB to develop and drafted a ton of players with all the picks they’d have gotten. Which would’ve been substantial. Like 2 1sts 2 2nds yada yada

The circumstance here is I think had the eagles won the Super Bowl sirianni would’ve been here a while. The pressure would be lifted off of the players. But losing the superbowl immediately had the players on edge. All the beat writers have talked about how the eagles players never seemed like they were having fun, they seemed miserable. Nick feeling the pressure to get back to the Super Bowl clearly caused him to make a panic move in firing desai. Jalen clearly feeling pressure to be a hero started pressing.

I think you either have to fire sirianni or gut the team. Which I felt the eagles should gut the team in 2020 and keep Doug. I feel differently here. I think jalen, AJ, devonta, goedert, the OL is a recipe for dominance with the right offensive coach. And hopefully the front office can at minimum move off the fangio defense and pursue a more aggressive defense. Idk what system Ryan Nielsen runs in Atlanta but bring him in to run the defense.

What you're saying makes sense to me. I don't think teams should sit around and hope it eventually works, but it seems like teams want to give their coaches the benefit of the doubt when they've had success in the past. Eagles are more proactive than most teams on that front it seems, so they may go the way you describe here. I think one win and and competitive loss would keep Sirianni's job at most places at least, right or wrong

[LAKESHOW]

Eagles Collapse? As some here say? Here's what happened:
You can't run a certain style all season long that taxes and punishes the front line from the beginning to the end. It takes a toll. It punishes the body.
The Eagles pounded the front the whole first half of the season. Then they should have taken the foot off the gas pedal and gotten some rest. 2 Full Seasons of pounding and the guys are gonna get beat up. And now? If they win thru this playoff run, I will bow down and honor the front linemen. Because those guys are putting it all on the line for this 2 year run

Are you implying that the offensive line is the issue for the eagles?

I was responding to a poster above who mentioned collapse. And I was explaining that players wear down due to the physicality. I am an ex college coach, so I was sharing from experience. Then what you have to do to prevent collapse, you have to bake it in and coach it in to prevent it. Maybe light practices. Throw on 4th and 1.(I've seen an interview where kelce was saying he was gettin taxed and jacked up on that bush push) SO there are preventative measures that can be taken to prevent collapse and worn down

[Mariner]

Eagles Collapse? As some here say? Here's what happened:
You can't run a certain style all season long that taxes and punishes the front line from the beginning to the end. It takes a toll. It punishes the body.
The Eagles pounded the front the whole first half of the season. Then they should have taken the foot off the gas pedal and gotten some rest. 2 Full Seasons of pounding and the guys are gonna get beat up. And now? If they win thru this playoff run, I will bow down and honor the front linemen. Because those guys are putting it all on the line for this 2 year run

Are you implying that the offensive line is the issue for the eagles?

I was responding to a poster above who mentioned collapse. And I was explaining that players wear down due to the physicality. I am an ex college coach, so I was sharing from experience. Then what you have to do to prevent collapse, you have to bake it in and coach it in to prevent it. Maybe light practices. Throw on 4th and 1.(I've seen an interview where kelce was saying he was gettin taxed and jacked up on that bush push) SO there are preventative measures that can be taken to prevent collapse and worn down

You might be on to something.
Hurts at times looked older than Wilson. I just assumed he was hurt.

[LAKESHOW]

I mean there was a point, where every single 4th and 1 was Bush push. That is crushing after 40 or 50 times. I noticed a couple times last week they threw the ball. Meaning, the coaching staff may finally be getting the message

[last stand]

The only ways I want this week to go

Blowing out Tampa bay instilling some confidence no matter how minor that the eagles can play. Dallas losing to Green Bay so the eagles go to Detroit instead of San Fran

Eagles losing to Tampa bay and this ridiculous season ending so the eagles can move forward with their coaching search

Basically any scenario that isn’t the eagles barely scraping by the buccaneers and then going to San Fran to get boat raced

I’d be fine with some weird backwards run because Dallas gets surprised early, and the eagles no longer have to face San Fran until the conference title and maybe some wins against Tampa and Detroit reinstate some momentum yada yada

But I don’t want to just do more of the same against Tampa, win, waste another week they could be improving their prospects for 2024, only to get mollywhopped by San Fran

I think that’s the most dangerous scenario of them all. Losing to Tampa bay probably leads to a host of major changes. And the cowboys losing to Green Bay gives the eagles a chance at gaining some momentum.

Everything else. Mess.

[Jaydubb]

Are you implying that the offensive line is the issue for the eagles?

I was responding to a poster above who mentioned collapse. And I was explaining that players wear down due to the physicality. I am an ex college coach, so I was sharing from experience. Then what you have to do to prevent collapse, you have to bake it in and coach it in to prevent it. Maybe light practices. Throw on 4th and 1.(I've seen an interview where kelce was saying he was gettin taxed and jacked up on that bush push) SO there are preventative measures that can be taken to prevent collapse and worn down

You might be on to something.
Hurts at times looked older than Wilson. I just assumed he was hurt.

He’s been dealing with injuries all year, I’m surprised he’s only missed a few snaps to be honest. Right now he’s dealing with a dislocated middle finger on his throwing hand but he’s not missing the tampa bay game, no way.