Top 10 QB's

Micah Prescott · Post #181 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 5:14 pm

So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

QB_Eagles · Post #182 » by **QB_Eagles** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 5:36 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

He's upset Mr. Taylor Swift is getting all the attention.

Seriously though, I just think he got crowned the new GOAT way too early. His supporting cast is bad overall so looking average isn't too bad.

Mr B · Post #183 » by **Mr B** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:22 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

Edelman, Walker, and Gronk weren’t elite?

Post #184 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:44 pm

Mr B wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

Edelman, Walker, and Gronk weren’t elite?

I mean he had stretches where he had elite skill positions players and stretches where at best they were average.

For example, Brady won a MVP where he did have Welker, but his next two leading receivers (yardage wise) was an aging Deon Branch and a rookie Aaron Hernandez. I wouldn’t call that a great receiving core.

ball_takes23 · Post #185 » by **ball_takes23** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:45 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

combination of his receivers getting worse, athleticism declining slightly and the league adjusting to him. defensive coordinators stopped blitzing him and started playing two high safeties forcing him to throw underneath.

also he's still well above average, he's in the 3-5 range.

Micah Prescott · Post #186 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:00 pm

Mr B wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

Edelman, Walker, and Gronk weren’t elite?

Gronk was yes

The other two were guys that Brady made look good

clyde21 · Post #187 » by **clyde21** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:09 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

No one wants to talk about it in the media because he's still been winning but he like hasn't been that good for 3 years, a glorified game manager essentially...the best game manager in the league b/c he's so situationally elite and clutch but yea, he hasn't been *that* dude for a while.

Post #188 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:11 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

No Tyreek Hill. His supporting cast has gotten worse.

clyde21 · Post #189 » by **clyde21** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:13 pm

Mr B wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

Edelman, Walker, and Gronk weren’t elite?

Gronk was elite

Edelman and Welker? uhh no? Edelman peaked at like 1100 yards and 6 TDs. Rashee Rice nearly had that his *rookie* year.

Only elite WR Tom Brady had was Randy Moss for a couple of years, and we saw what kinda numbers he put up when that happened.

clyde21 · Post #190 » by **clyde21** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:15 pm

i said this in another thread but Mahomes is having an inverse Tom Brady career. Tom Brady was a glorified game manager for like the first 7 years of his career, then went crazy once Randy Moss got there.

opposite for Mahomes, who went crazy early but been a glorified game manager since Tyreek left.

clyde21 · Post #191 » by **clyde21** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:18 pm

neither of them have ever been as good as Aaron Rodgers was at his peak, who played with less talent than both and his HC was **** Mike McCarthy not the two greatest coaches of all time

Mr B · Post #192 » by **Mr B** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:26 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:So what are the theories on the Mahomes' transition into an average QB?

Bad WR core? Isn't that something a GOAT QB should be able to get over? Brady never had a great WR core outside of his time with Moss.

Maybe he is just getting lazy at this point?

Edelman, Walker, and Gronk weren’t elite?

I mean he had stretches where he had elite skill positions players and stretches where at best they were average.

For example, Brady won a MVP where he did have Welker, but his next two leading receivers (yardage wise) was an aging Deon Branch and a rookie Aaron Hernandez. I wouldn’t call that a great receiving core.

Hernandez did have 1 really good season (for a TE).

Mr B · Post #193 » by **Mr B** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:28 pm

Micah Prescott · Post #194 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:51 pm

Lamar Jackson has 7 total TDs, 0 INTs, 136.6 passer rating through just 2 games.

He is #1 overall head and shoulders. A massive threat in both passing and running.

Allen also has 7TDs and 0 INTs, the problem is that he has played 3 full games now.

Micah Prescott · Post #195 » by **Micah Prescott** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:55 pm

clyde21 wrote:neither of them have ever been as good as Aaron Rodgers was at his peak, who played with less talent than both and his HC was **** Mike McCarthy not the two greatest coaches of all time

I actually feel like Rodgers and Mahomes have a very similar playing style, both easily pass the eye test. Both have an absolute missile for an arm. And both are "good" on their feet.

Post #196 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 8:10 pm

Mr B wrote:

Are these fantasy rankings?

clyde21 · Post #197 » by **clyde21** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 8:13 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
clyde21 wrote:neither of them have ever been as good as Aaron Rodgers was at his peak, who played with less talent than both and his HC was **** Mike McCarthy not the two greatest coaches of all time

I actually feel like Rodgers and Mahomes have a very similar playing style, both easily pass the eye test. Both have an absolute missile for an arm. And both are "good" on their feet.

except Rodgers never played for a coach like Reid and probably would have 3-4 SBs himself if he did. people really forget just how filthy peak Rodgers was and now the media just hates him

Post #198 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 8:35 pm

Mr B wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Mr B wrote:Edelman, Walker, and Gronk weren’t elite?

I mean he had stretches where he had elite skill positions players and stretches where at best they were average.

For example, Brady won a MVP where he did have Welker, but his next two leading receivers (yardage wise) was an aging Deon Branch and a rookie Aaron Hernandez. I wouldn’t call that a great receiving core.

Hernandez did have 1 really good season (for a TE).

Agreed, he was damn good in his 2nd year. But I wouldn’t call a 31 year old Deon Branch (really Branch at any age) and a rookie Hernandez as your 2nd and 3rd options, as having an elite receiving core.

And Brady led the league in Passing TDs, won 14 games, and won MVP with that cast that year

Mr B · Post #199 » by **Mr B** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 8:36 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Mr B wrote:

Are these fantasy rankings?

Saw this on twitter. Posted by NFL Gameday. I’m guessing these are the top 10 QB rankings coming in to the season. If it were currently Hurts wouldn’t even be on the list much less ahead of Dak.

JujitsuFlip · Post #200 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:16 pm

Mr B wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Mr B wrote:

Are these fantasy rankings?

Saw this on twitter. Posted by NFL Gameday. I’m guessing these are the top 10 QB rankings coming in to the season. If it were currently Hurts wouldn’t even be on the list much less ahead of Dak.

It literally says week 3 on the graphic...

Burrow missing because he's out for the season.