Where do you have Roger Staubach rated in your all-time NFL QB list?

[Micah Prescott]

On the old forum where jaydubb, Mariner, I and others came from there was an old guy, even more ancient than bjj, and he swore Cookie Gilchrist was the best runner he ever saw. Who am I to doubt that? I watched some highlights and he was impressive. You'd have to watch so much film to determine an all-time list.

I'm of the opinion, I'd rather say I give the old players credit and assume the best of the best of their era could also succeed today under today's circumstances. Everything else in my opinion is presumptuous and a little ignorant in the sense that hardly anybody has the wealth of knowledge necessary to come to the conclusion that today's players intrinsically are better than the long list of great players of the past.

The only thing I think is very safe to say, is that if Roger were born in say 2005, he would have a much harder road to the NFL than he did in his real career. Simply because the size of the talent pool is much bigger.

Maybe Roger goes on to be Mahomes, or maybe he doesn't even get drafted. Impossible to know.

[El Turco]

I have him in the same tier as Dak Prescott.

Staubach took the Cowboys to four Super Bowls which is just four more than Prescott.

That was just a joke. I actually think Staubach is a Top QB in history. However, I find it hard to compare QBs over different eras and make a list.

For example Brees was ranked very highly when he played but I personally wouldn't even put him in a Top 30 all-time.

I disagree about Brees, I think his qb traits would translate well in any era of football.

[QB_Eagles]

On the old forum where jaydubb, Mariner, I and others came from there was an old guy, even more ancient than bjj, and he swore Cookie Gilchrist was the best runner he ever saw. Who am I to doubt that? I watched some highlights and he was impressive. You'd have to watch so much film to determine an all-time list.

I'm of the opinion, I'd rather say I give the old players credit and assume the best of the best of their era could also succeed today under today's circumstances. Everything else in my opinion is presumptuous and a little ignorant in the sense that hardly anybody has the wealth of knowledge necessary to come to the conclusion that today's players intrinsically are better than the long list of great players of the past.

The only thing I think is very safe to say, is that if Roger were born in say 2005, he would have a much harder road to the NFL than he did in his real career. Simply because the size of the talent pool is much bigger.

I disagree because he had the NFL QB frame, arm strength, accuracy, intelligence, and a great college career.

He might have actually had an easier path to the NFL right now because he might not have chosen to serve in a war over the millions he could make in the NFL.

[QB_Eagles]

Staubach took the Cowboys to four Super Bowls which is just four more than Prescott.

That was just a joke. I actually think Staubach is a Top QB in history. However, I find it hard to compare QBs over different eras and make a list.

For example Brees was ranked very highly when he played but I personally wouldn't even put him in a Top 30 all-time.

I disagree about Brees, I think his qb traits would translate well in any era of football.

With Brees it has nothing to do with eras for me. I always thought he was overrated. I'm just a Brees hater.

[Micah Prescott]

On the old forum where jaydubb, Mariner, I and others came from there was an old guy, even more ancient than bjj, and he swore Cookie Gilchrist was the best runner he ever saw. Who am I to doubt that? I watched some highlights and he was impressive. You'd have to watch so much film to determine an all-time list.

I'm of the opinion, I'd rather say I give the old players credit and assume the best of the best of their era could also succeed today under today's circumstances. Everything else in my opinion is presumptuous and a little ignorant in the sense that hardly anybody has the wealth of knowledge necessary to come to the conclusion that today's players intrinsically are better than the long list of great players of the past.

The only thing I think is very safe to say, is that if Roger were born in say 2005, he would have a much harder road to the NFL than he did in his real career. Simply because the size of the talent pool is much bigger.

I disagree because he had the NFL QB frame, arm strength, accuracy, intelligence, and a great college career.

He might have actually had an easier path to the NFL right now because he might not have chosen to serve in a war over the millions he could make in the NFL.

He would have to beat out 100 others with a similar size and traits instead of just 10.

[john4psu]

Funny, all these people disparaging Staubach yet he was chosen in the final top 10 QBs on the NFL's 100th anniversary team by experts that cover the game. What do they know right? Fans know better.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Staubach took the Cowboys to four Super Bowls which is just four more than Prescott.

That was just a joke. I actually think Staubach is a Top QB in history. However, I find it hard to compare QBs over different eras and make a list.

For example Brees was ranked very highly when he played but I personally wouldn't even put him in a Top 30 all-time.

Most people simply do not understand that a bottom-10 QB today would be a top-10 QB during Staubach's time. In fact I will say that Dak Prescott is absolutely a more accurate passer than Roger ever was. The college talent pool today is like 10x deeper vs then, and the average size and speed of players today far exceeds what Roger was playing against.

However, it is literally impossible to rank QBs like that, so all we can go on is accomplishments and vs. the talent in their own era.

Oh please Micah. Most QB's in today's game would never last a full season under the old rules. Today's QB's and WR's have it way too easy today compared to back then. And don't ever put Dumb Dak on the same tier as Staubach. Especially if you are a real Cowboy fan. You are way out of bounds on this one my friend.

[El Turco]

Funny, all these people disparaging Staubach yet he was chosen in the final top 10 QBs on the NFL's 100th anniversary team by experts that cover the game. What do they know right? Fans know better.

I dont see how that's a good argument. Same experts who didnt give Jerry Rice MVP when he had 23 TDs in 12 games or gave Rich Gannon MVP over Priest Holmes. They make dumb decisions all the time.

[Micah Prescott]

That was just a joke. I actually think Staubach is a Top QB in history. However, I find it hard to compare QBs over different eras and make a list.

For example Brees was ranked very highly when he played but I personally wouldn't even put him in a Top 30 all-time.

Most people simply do not understand that a bottom-10 QB today would be a top-10 QB during Staubach's time. In fact I will say that Dak Prescott is absolutely a more accurate passer than Roger ever was. The college talent pool today is like 10x deeper vs then, and the average size and speed of players today far exceeds what Roger was playing against.

However, it is literally impossible to rank QBs like that, so all we can go on is accomplishments and vs. the talent in their own era.

Oh please Micah. Most QB's in today's game would never last a full season under the old rules. Today's QB's and WR's have it way too easy today compared to back then. And don't ever put Dumb Dak on the same tier as Staubach. Especially if you are a real Cowboy fan. You are way out of bounds on this one my friend.

Dak is in a much bigger, faster, stronger NFL. Sorry.

Like by a lot too.

FWIW I have Roger ranked as the #1 Cowboys QB all time, and like I said top 8-12 overall all time every QB every era.

Too hard to rank eras by pretending to know what each would have done in the other's era. Can only go on what we are given, and Roger accomplished more than Dak, so yeah.

[Micah Prescott]

It's the same with the NBA, put any 70s NBA team in today's 3-ball game and they would get obliterated. The game has evolved so much. And the NFL has evolved more than that. Roger's playbook is a child's book compared to today's schemes.

And while athletes like Wilt would still be elite today, there is no way he puts up 100 in today's league. That can only be done vs the weak league he faced.

[Mr B]

Roger Staubach is #1 on MY ALL TIME LIST !!!!!!!!!!

Ditto. Roger Staubach never lost a game in his life, he just ran out of time. Easily #1 QB of all time.

[Mr B]

There haven't been 30 quarterbacks better than Drew Brees.

#30 for Brees sounds about right.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Funny, all these people disparaging Staubach yet he was chosen in the final top 10 QBs on the NFL's 100th anniversary team by experts that cover the game. What do they know right? Fans know better.

Especially the new generation Cowboy fans. They have it all figured out.

[Mr B]

Staubach took the Cowboys to four Super Bowls which is just four more than Prescott.

That was just a joke. I actually think Staubach is a Top QB in history. However, I find it hard to compare QBs over different eras and make a list.

For example Brees was ranked very highly when he played but I personally wouldn't even put him in a Top 30 all-time.

Most people simply do not understand that a bottom-10 QB today would be a top-10 QB during Staubach's time. In fact I will say that Dak Prescott is absolutely a more accurate passer than Roger ever was. The college talent pool today is like 10x deeper vs then, and the average size and speed of players today far exceeds what Roger was playing against.

However, it is literally impossible to rank QBs like that, so all we can go on is accomplishments and vs. the talent in their own era.

What style of offense are they playing and what defensive rules are we going by? QB’s aren’t allowed to get touched now.

[Mr B]

There haven't been 30 quarterbacks better than Drew Brees.

Considering all the NFL eras, not really. Brees was never the Top QB when he played; I'd say not even Top 2, but for the sake of the argument let's assume he was. There are many, many players in history who were at most 2nd best at their position.

Most people simply do not understand that a bottom-10 QB today would be a top-10 QB during Staubach's time. In fact I will say that Dak Prescott is absolutely a more accurate passer than Roger ever was. The college talent pool today is like 10x deeper vs then, and the average size and speed of players today far exceeds what Roger was playing against.

However, it is literally impossible to rank QBs like that, so all we can go on is accomplishments and vs. the talent in their own era.

Absolutely not.

On the contrary, if you gave the previous elite QBs modern conditioning and rules, they could shine even more.

Randall Cunningham is the prime example in my opinion. He'd absolutely light the NFL on fire if he was playing nowadays.

And how would Tom Brady have responded if defense were allowed to smack him in the face a few times. A close line from Chuck Bednarik would have put an end to that SB run real fast.

[Mr B]

There haven't been 30 quarterbacks better than Drew Brees.

Considering all the NFL eras, not really. Brees was never the Top QB when he played; I'd say not even Top 2, but for the sake of the argument let's assume he was. There are many, many players in history who were at most 2nd best at their position.

Most people simply do not understand that a bottom-10 QB today would be a top-10 QB during Staubach's time. In fact I will say that Dak Prescott is absolutely a more accurate passer than Roger ever was. The college talent pool today is like 10x deeper vs then, and the average size and speed of players today far exceeds what Roger was playing against.

However, it is literally impossible to rank QBs like that, so all we can go on is accomplishments and vs. the talent in their own era.

Absolutely not.

On the contrary, if you gave the previous elite QBs modern conditioning and rules, they could shine even more.

Randall Cunningham is the prime example in my opinion. He'd absolutely light the NFL on fire if he was playing nowadays.

*SOME* would still shine. Cunningham maybe, Roger too probably. Jim Brown would still be an elite runner probably. But the average QB today >>>>>> Average QB in 1970. It's not even close either.

Cunningham was 80s/90s which was when the league really started to cross over. Before that the talent pool was small, MLB was still the American Past time, getting away from players working two jobs and smoking cigarettes, etc.

Today conditioning and scheming even at a college level is higher than 1970s NFL. It is serious business today in comparison to then.

Most of the QB’s today would not have been able to handle the physicality of the NFL in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, or even in the 90’s.

[Mr B]

It's the same with the NBA, put any 70s NBA team in today's 3-ball game and they would get obliterated. The game has evolved so much. And the NFL has evolved more than that. Roger's playbook is a child's book compared to today's schemes.

And while athletes like Wilt would still be elite today, there is no way he puts up 100 in today's league. That can only be done vs the weak league he faced.

Again, it would come down to what rules are being applied. Do you honestly think a guy like SGA would be able to get freely in the lane repeatedly again the Detroit Bad Boys? He’d catch a few elbows to the neck and start thinking twice. Luka would never be able to play because he’d be complaining to the refs even more than he does now.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Most people simply do not understand that a bottom-10 QB today would be a top-10 QB during Staubach's time. In fact I will say that Dak Prescott is absolutely a more accurate passer than Roger ever was. The college talent pool today is like 10x deeper vs then, and the average size and speed of players today far exceeds what Roger was playing against.

However, it is literally impossible to rank QBs like that, so all we can go on is accomplishments and vs. the talent in their own era.

Oh please Micah. Most QB's in today's game would never last a full season under the old rules. Today's QB's and WR's have it way too easy today compared to back then. And don't ever put Dumb Dak on the same tier as Staubach. Especially if you are a real Cowboy fan. You are way out of bounds on this one my friend.

Dak is in a much bigger, faster, stronger NFL. Sorry.

Like by a lot too.

FWIW I have Roger ranked as the #1 Cowboys QB all time, and like I said top 8-12 overall all time every QB every era.

Too hard to rank eras by pretending to know what each would have done in the other's era. Can only go on what we are given, and Roger accomplished more than Dak, so yeah.

Dak doesn't have one thing over Roger. Your out of your mind again, but then I got to thinking that we all caught you at a bad time whacking off to your Dak Prescott poster.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Roger Staubach is #1 on MY ALL TIME LIST !!!!!!!!!!

Ditto. Roger Staubach never lost a game in his life, he just ran out of time. Easily #1 QB of all time.

I thought he was still in his prime when he retired. Yes, he had a few concussions but was mostly pissed he couldn't call the plays and Landry was not going to allow anyone being bigger than his system. I thought Roger putting in 4 years in the Navy before joining the Cowboys hurt him more. And it cost us Super Bowl IV.

[Micah Prescott]

It's the same with the NBA, put any 70s NBA team in today's 3-ball game and they would get obliterated. The game has evolved so much. And the NFL has evolved more than that. Roger's playbook is a child's book compared to today's schemes.

And while athletes like Wilt would still be elite today, there is no way he puts up 100 in today's league. That can only be done vs the weak league he faced.

Again, it would come down to what rules are being applied. Do you honestly think a guy like SGA would be able to get freely in the lane repeatedly again the Detroit Bad Boys? He’d catch a few elbows to the neck and start thinking twice. Luka would never be able to play because he’d be complaining to the refs even more than he does now.

Detroit Boys was 90s ball. Again, same with NFL, that is when things started to flat line, even out. I can look at the Jordan Bulls and think they could compete today. I can look at the 90s Cowboys and say "Larry Allen was the same size as players today, Deion was just as fast, etc".

But the 70s? No. Golden State would rain 3s on them the whole game, there would be no answer to it at all. Even with their rules, no 3-point shot, they would still rain outside shots for an easy win. Today's teams are so much more efficient when it comes to moving the ball around the perimeter and finding an open man. And to be honest I think today's style of play would also dominate the 90s Pistons. The NBA mathematically found the most efficient way to rack up points, and it isn't by driving for a dunk.

Roger played against defensive lineman who averaged 50 lbs less. I mean think about that. No rules can make up for that. Today's teams against that would be like putting a high school team up against a middle school team. It's not the same. The talent pool is 10x bigger and it is all kids that grew up with advanced training.

We all like to pretend our childhood favs are the greatest, and those days were the best. But it's only because back then we had a child's brain. In reality, today's game is far superior. Go watch some old 70s Cowboys games, it's a boring watch compared to today's game. Lots of simple runs up the middle, not as much passing, not as much creativity, not as much speed.