NFL Draft Discussion

[Otis Driftwood]

Bears.

[JXL]

Niners completely robbed the Bears, still get 2 studs for their defense. Meanwhile, a live look at the Bears front office:

[Mich3006]

I guess I am the lone fan of the Chiefs pick of Mahomes. I was hoping he would go to a place where he could have a redshirt season behind a veteran, so KC is a good landing spot for him. He has some adjustments to make to the NFL system, but he has the tools to be a very good starting QB in time.

No your not. I loved the pick. I think he is going to be very good and the fact he can sit behind Smith and learn the game is a huge bonus for him. And having Reid as his coach is terrific. That was the perfect situation for a team to take a chance on a QB with a lot of upside.

Drafting a QB wasn't the wrong decision but KC could've waited for next year and draft a WR or LB instead.

Don't know much about Mahomes but he wasn't for cheap.

[Nemesis21]

Tampa has a nice TE duo going...good pick.

I don't hate the pick, but I wanted Cook. I don't think anyone saw OJ not going in the top 15, I don't blame the Bucs, but go get Cook today!

[Otis Driftwood]

I guess I am the lone fan of the Chiefs pick of Mahomes. I was hoping he would go to a place where he could have a redshirt season behind a veteran, so KC is a good landing spot for him. He has some adjustments to make to the NFL system, but he has the tools to be a very good starting QB in time.

No your not. I loved the pick. I think he is going to be very good and the fact he can sit behind Smith and learn the game is a huge bonus for him. And having Reid as his coach is terrific. That was the perfect situation for a team to take a chance on a QB with a lot of upside.

Drafting a QB wasn't the wrong decision but KC could've waited for next year and draft a WR or LB instead.

Don't know much about Mahomes but he wasn't for cheap.

The more I read the more I think Reid was really enamored with the kid. If that's the case, better to grab him and get him indoctrinated into the program while you tread water this year with Smith and address other needs. Personally, I didn't think much of the QB's this year with the exception of Mahomes and I thought he was a 2nd at top. But as I said - if Reid believes he is going to be that special, then grab him. The Chiefs aren't that far off. Especially in the AFC West.

[Otis Driftwood]

Drafting a QB wasn't the wrong decision but KC could've waited for next year and draft a WR or LB instead.

Don't know much about Mahomes but he wasn't for cheap.

And make no mistake - Mahomes is a gun slinger. Texas Tech games were fun to watch. He would make throws you would think "Seriously???"... and throws you would think "Seriously!!!"

I love the kid.

[shawn_hemp]

No your not. I loved the pick. I think he is going to be very good and the fact he can sit behind Smith and learn the game is a huge bonus for him. And having Reid as his coach is terrific. That was the perfect situation for a team to take a chance on a QB with a lot of upside.

Drafting a QB wasn't the wrong decision but KC could've waited for next year and draft a WR or LB instead.

Don't know much about Mahomes but he wasn't for cheap.

The more I read the more I think Reid was really enamored with the kid. If that's the case, better to grab him and get him indoctrinated into the program while you tread water this year with Smith and address other needs. Personally, I didn't think much of the QB's this year with the exception of Mahomes and I thought he was a 2nd at top. But as I said - if Reid believes he is going to be that special, then grab him. The Chiefs aren't that far off. Especially in the AFC West.

I don't have a problem with taking the guy, I just think they might have moved up a bit too high to take him.

Honestly, they probably could have just stood pat and still got him at 27 (I think that's where they were drafting)

Trading away picks for no reason is the worst thing you can do. Every round is important, there are no throwaway picks. And they straight gave up a 1st next year and a 3rd this year for a guy they could have just gotten anyway

Typical Andy Reid draft move. He'll probably kill it in the rest of the draft though, the Eagles always got busts in the 1st rd and studs later on.

That's why I'm especially perplexed at them giving away a 3rd rounder. That's Andy's honey hole man

[Otis Driftwood]

I don't have a problem with taking the guy, I just think they might have moved up a bit too high to take him.

Honestly, they probably could have just stood pat and still got him at 27 (I think that's where they were drafting)...

Don't know - sure sounded like the Cardinals wanted him too from everything I read leading up to the draft.

Trading away picks for no reason is the worst thing you can do. Every round is important, there are no throwaway picks. And they straight gave up a 1st next year and a 3rd this year for a guy they could have just gotten anyway

Bears.

Typical Andy Reid draft move. He'll probably kill it in the rest of the draft though, the Eagles always got busts in the 1st rd and studs later on.

That's why I'm especially perplexed at them giving away a 3rd rounder. That's Andy's honey hole man

I defer to you on this topic. You guys know way more about his tendencies than I.

[shawn_hemp]

And the reason I like Derek Barnett to the Eagles is because he has great quickness getting off the line of scrimmage. One of the talking heads on ESPN was mentioning it when they were showing his highlights and they're right, he is always getting good jumps on the play.

And considering most battles at the line of scrimmage are won or lost within the first 2-3 seconds, I'll take a guy who can attack quickly any time.

If he can use his hands to get an angle on OTs without letting them put hands on him, with his stop and start speed, this guy can be a really solid player.

And we really needed a pass rusher.

Not sure how well he can play the run in the NFL yet but if he only ever becomes a 3rd down pass rusher in the NFL I could live with that assuming he does it very well

[shawn_hemp]

the thing about Andy Reid is that he always tries to do the unconventional move that nobody else would make. And sometimes it works in his favor (McNabb over Ricky Williams) but usually it just blows up in his face

He is like the antichrist to the "BPA" way of thinking. He'll reach for fit and not even think twice about it. I don't mind that in the NBA draft but football is such a team sport that you take the best player you can, period.

We took Brandon Graham 1 pick before Earl Thomas when we needed a safety

We took Danny Watkins over ANYBODY. The guy was a Canadian firefighter who grew up playing hockey and later switched to football. First round material I tell ya

The Eagles haven't had a draft with more than 1 stud player since 2002. And I know that term is subjective, but you know what I mean. Guys who have long and successful careers.

2009 was ok with Maclin in the 1st and Shady McCoy in the 2nd but they might have well have traded the rest of their picks because the rest sucked.

2013 could wind up with 2 when it's all said and done in Lane Johnson and Bennie Logan but Bennie Logan is on the Chiefs now. And that was Chip Kelly anyway

2014 - awful

2015 outside of Jordan Hicks - can't even right now

Our strategy seems to be to get 1 good player each year in the draft and sign a bunch of marginal free agents.

Meanwhile, on good teams, getting 1 good player a year in the draft is the bare minimum. They expect 2-4 solid picks a year

Oh well, time will tell

It is absolutely gorgeous out today in Philly though, hopefully I can catch some of the draft after work

[CDior510]

I'm "Ok" with the Evan Engram pick because after we drafted him and I threw my beer at the wall, for not selecting an LB, OL, or RB. I went and watched some of his highlights on YouTube and then as tradition I look up his stats of his worst games and watched the tape and it was more of his QB/Offense than him, outside of his inability or lack of effort to block, but he's a hell of a receiver and speed demon for a TE.

[Cactus Jack]

We took Brandon Graham 1 pick before Earl Thomas when we needed a safety

Thanks again!

[shawn_hemp]

We took Brandon Graham 1 pick before Earl Thomas when we needed a safety

Thanks again!

I've never seen a more wtf moment in the draft tbh

Everyone at my house was like high fiving and stuff as Goodell walked out, there wasn't even a doubt we were gonna take Earl Thomas

Then I hear

"Bran"

followed by just silence

And an especially drunk friend finally broke it like 10 seconds later and says

"WHO THE **** IS THAT!?!?"

[Cactus Jack]

We took Brandon Graham 1 pick before Earl Thomas when we needed a safety

Thanks again!

I've never seen a more wtf moment in the draft tbh

Everyone at my house was like high fiving and stuff as Goodell walked out, there wasn't even a doubt we were gonna take Earl Thomas

Then I hear

"Bran"

followed by just silence

And an especially drunk friend finally broke it like 10 seconds later and says

"WHO THE **** IS THAT!?!?"

I actually really wanted Eric Berry in that draft (Hawks also had the 6th pick). But, we ended up getting the better player in Earl anyway. A slam dunk draft for us.

Earl- 1st Round
Golden Tate- 2nd Round
Chancellor- 5th Round

[shawn_hemp]

And I'm not trying to be the "shoulda taken ___ over ____" hindsight guy because it's obnoxious but like WHAT?

The top 2 safeties were Eric Berry and Earl Thomas. CLEARLY the top 2 safeties

Thomas fell right to us and Andy just tried to outsmart everyone as usual.

That's what I mean about Andy, he has this tendency to think he's too smart to follow consensus and he winds up just reaching for some guy he thinks can prove everyone wrong and get a "steal" so to speak

He'd rather be wrong about a reach than wrong about a consensus pick.

Which, while somewhat admirable, is an absolutely terrible way to build your team.

Not every consensus pick is hype. A lot of times, the guy really is THAT GOOD.

But, you know, cash me in the 2nd rd how bout dah

[Otis Driftwood]

Thanks again!

I've never seen a more wtf moment in the draft tbh

Everyone at my house was like high fiving and stuff as Goodell walked out, there wasn't even a doubt we were gonna take Earl Thomas

Then I hear

"Bran"

followed by just silence

And an especially drunk friend finally broke it like 10 seconds later and says

"WHO THE **** IS THAT!?!?"

I actually really wanted Eric Berry in that draft (Hawks also had the 6th pick). But, we ended up getting the better player in Earl anyway. A slam dunk draft for us.

Earl- 1st Round
Golden Tate- 2nd Round
Chancellor- 5th Round

I'll always remember Pete taking Thomas and Taylor Mays losing his s*** over that USC connection not working out. Hell - even Pete knew better than not to fall for that.

[shawn_hemp]

Lol, Taylor Mays was the ultimate combine warrior. Dude was ripped as all hell and looked great in workouts. Ran a 4.43 and put up 225lbs 24 times

Then he got on the field and you realized this guy had no idea how to actually play football

Also, for some perspective, the Eagles were just removed from Brian Dawkins in the 2010 draft, and it would have been awesome to continue the trend of having a difference maker at S that the fans would love and Andy was like "nope, building a dream team here, I don't need Earl Thomas"

Ok...

[Cactus Jack]

I've never seen a more wtf moment in the draft tbh

Everyone at my house was like high fiving and stuff as Goodell walked out, there wasn't even a doubt we were gonna take Earl Thomas

Then I hear

"Bran"

followed by just silence

And an especially drunk friend finally broke it like 10 seconds later and says

"WHO THE **** IS THAT!?!?"

I actually really wanted Eric Berry in that draft (Hawks also had the 6th pick). But, we ended up getting the better player in Earl anyway. A slam dunk draft for us.

Earl- 1st Round
Golden Tate- 2nd Round
Chancellor- 5th Round

I'll always remember Pete taking Thomas and Taylor Mays losing his s*** over that USC connection not working out. Hell - even Pete knew better than not to fall for that.

Yup lol.

[shawn_hemp]

That's part of the reason I think watching tape is still the best way to evaluate players

Drills are just that, drills

How many times a game do players even run 40 yards in a straight line? Outside of deep threat receivers, usually about 0.

The one trait you cant measure with a stop watch is how mentally tough a player is. It's the NFL, all of these guys are physical monsters

You need to figure out who has the mental fortitude to actually compete on the field when everyone else is also a physical monster and you can't get by on talent alone.

[Otis Driftwood]

John Fox had no idea about what the front office was up to until an hour before the draft.

Good... Lord...