Week 8 thread

[Worm Guts]

It is showing itself to be gross incompetence, an Egotistical belief in oneself abilities, in allowing 2 QBs to be released. In a time when several teams are in a dire search for 1. And to top it all, those 2 teams are now 1st place teams

I think it was just a tough situation. I don't even think the Vikings could have even reasonably been expected to know what they had with Daniel Jones. He never played, and maybe practiced with them for 6 weeks.

[LAKESHOW]

I think Vikings were just looking for a higher ceiling at quarterback and thought McCarthy would be that guy. They knew Darnold won't take them far in post season.

But Cowboys fans need to learn from Vikings. Yeah it might suck to have a QB who chokes under pressure and in playoff games but if you get rid of him you might end up with a QB that sucks in regular season too.

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

But this is not this case study here for the Vikings. Yes, you may have a point with 1. BUT TWO? Thats 2QBs. Not 1. That is incompetence

[LAKESHOW]

It is showing itself to be gross incompetence, an Egotistical belief in oneself abilities, in allowing 2 QBs to be released. In a time when several teams are in a dire search for 1. And to top it all, those 2 teams are now 1st place teams

I think it was just a tough situation. I don't even think the Vikings could have even reasonably been expected to know what they had with Daniel Jones. He never played, and maybe practiced with them for 6 weeks.

Understood. But we are not talking 1. This is a situation where 2QBs were present. Meaning, you Lose the players in the Locker Room. When that happens, bruh, and I've seen it before as a former coach who has seen some things, when a coach loses the Locker room...

[LAKESHOW]

To add more? Sorry Vikings fans. Jared Verse IS A DAWG!. 2 draft picks before verse? The Vikings select Dallas Turner. Only Time and Hope will overcome the Mccarthy/Turner Draft choices

[QB_Eagles]

I think Vikings were just looking for a higher ceiling at quarterback and thought McCarthy would be that guy. They knew Darnold won't take them far in post season.

But Cowboys fans need to learn from Vikings. Yeah it might suck to have a QB who chokes under pressure and in playoff games but if you get rid of him you might end up with a QB that sucks in regular season too.

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

But this is not this case study here for the Vikings. Yes, you may have a point with 1. BUT TWO? Thats 2QBs. Not 1. That is incompetence

I wouldn't have gotten rid of them in favor of McCarthy, but I will still wait until the end of the season to see if Darnold and Jones are legit franchise QBs. Darnold had an epic collapse last season and Jones would be weird if he was good all of a sudden after putting several average at best years on tape.

[El Turco]

I think Vikings were just looking for a higher ceiling at quarterback and thought McCarthy would be that guy. They knew Darnold won't take them far in post season.

But Cowboys fans need to learn from Vikings. Yeah it might suck to have a QB who chokes under pressure and in playoff games but if you get rid of him you might end up with a QB that sucks in regular season too.

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

Sure, if you trust your franchise to come up with a quarterback. There are many franchises that have been waiting for a good franchise quarterback despite having many high picks.

[Duke4life831]

The Vikings letting Darnold and Jones walk so they could roll with McCarthy and the corpse of Wentz is an all-time fumble. I would've let them walk as well, but let's not mention that. I'm not really in the loop with everything Vikings, but how did this happen? Was it money, was it thinking Darnold was a walking fluke, was it KOC thinking he could fix any QB?

It's pretty obvious by now that they fell in love with the idea of having a starting QB on a rookie deal. As soon as they made the investment (McCarthy), there really was no turning back.

Darnold wanted more than just a 1 year commitment to be a starter.

In hindsight, they should've kept Jones around by letting him compete for the job. Then they would've had a fallback option.

This is it. It’s been reported and talked a lot by insiders for the team. This was the primary goal. They wanted to follow the 49ers mold. Don’t have to spend any money on the QB position, while you build up a stacked roster, then let your QB guru coach maximize the cheap rookie QB.

A big issue here though, a big part of that is having a team that can draft. The 49ers built up this stacked roster by drafting. So they had a mix of high quality guys they were paying big bucks, but also a lot of young studs also finishing off their rookie deals. The Vikings can’t draft, so they just tried to stack their roster with old high priced vets. That worked out last year. But this year they got the other side of the coin.

[Duke4life831]

Seeing Daniel Jones play well is definitely bitter sweet. But I don’t put too much on Kwesi for letting that one go in reality (and I don’t usually give Kwesi the benefit of the doubt haha). They didn’t see Jones during camp and all year, to really see how well he fits in the system. He was there for such a short time.

When it comes to Darnold, I think it’s fair to say that was a huge mistake and I think one that will lead to both Kwesi and KOC being fired.

Darnold has the elite physical traits and fits perfectly in KOC’s system. And he showed that last season with 14 wins, pro bowl year, 35 TDs and 4k+ yards. Ya it fell apart the last two games, but it was still fixable. And the way you fix it, is fix the interior line (which was graded as a bottom 3 interior o line last year).

But instead of doing that fix, and sticking with the QB that has the high level physical traits, fits your system perfectly, is still in his 20s, wouldn’t break the bank to keep him. They got too cute. What I think they should’ve done, is extend Darnold and traded JJ. His trade value going into the draft was still very very high. You trade him, and go get another interior O line guy in the draft to go with Jackson.

I do think letting Darnold walk will ultimately end up getting Kwesi and KOC fired.

[Cactus Jack]

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

Sounds like a winning formula lol.

Getting a higher draft pick doesn't guarantee you future success (Jets, Browns, Titans, Raiders, etc.)

Fwiw the hit rate on QB's coming out (draft) is around 40% on average. There are far more cases of guys who don't work out vs. those who do.

The list of QB's to come out recently isn't great either. The list of names from the 2021, '22, '23 & 2025 drafts look very underwhelming to say the least.

[LAKESHOW]

If you take the case IN DIVISION, the Bears spent a boatload of money on the offensive line. Bringing in several guys, including one from Mahomes and the KC Chiefs. The Detroit OLine is formidable. Meaning, the Vikings chose a different path. But we'll see if they can trade or buy their way out of it

[Worm Guts]

If you take the case IN DIVISION, the Bears spent a boatload of money on the offensive line. Bringing in several guys, including one from Mahomes and the KC Chiefs. The Detroit OLine is formidable. Meaning, the Vikings chose a different path. But we'll see if they can trade or buy their way out of it

The Vikings signed Ryan Kelly and Will Fries and drafted Donovan Jackson in the first round, but they've had significant injuries.

[Duke4life831]

I think Vikings were just looking for a higher ceiling at quarterback and thought McCarthy would be that guy. They knew Darnold won't take them far in post season.

But Cowboys fans need to learn from Vikings. Yeah it might suck to have a QB who chokes under pressure and in playoff games but if you get rid of him you might end up with a QB that sucks in regular season too.

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

Sure, if you trust your franchise to come up with a quarterback. There are many franchises that have been waiting for a good franchise quarterback despite having many high picks.

Yup and the Vikings haven’t been able to find a franchise QB since Fran Tarkenton.

Outside of mediocrity with Tommy Kramer in the 80s and about 5 years of Culpepper. Vikings have just been a stopping ground for old vets on their last leg

Warren Moon, Jim McMahon, Randall Cunningham, Brett Favre, Gus Frerotte, McNab and so on. And a bunch of failed young QBs.

Don’t get me wrong, the Vikings are no Cleveland Browns when it comes to inability to find a QB. But I’d say Vikings have to be a bottom 5ish franchise when it comes to inability to find a franchise QB

[LAKESHOW]

If you take the case IN DIVISION, the Bears spent a boatload of money on the offensive line. Bringing in several guys, including one from Mahomes and the KC Chiefs. The Detroit OLine is formidable. Meaning, the Vikings chose a different path. But we'll see if they can trade or buy their way out of it

The Vikings signed Ryan Kelly and Will Fries and drafted Donovan Jackson in the first round, but they've had significant injuries.

Great then, that's probably the Fix. Just wait it out till healthy. They should be full strength in a few weeks

[Worm Guts]

If you take the case IN DIVISION, the Bears spent a boatload of money on the offensive line. Bringing in several guys, including one from Mahomes and the KC Chiefs. The Detroit OLine is formidable. Meaning, the Vikings chose a different path. But we'll see if they can trade or buy their way out of it

The Vikings signed Ryan Kelly and Will Fries and drafted Donovan Jackson in the first round, but they've had significant injuries.

Great then, that's probably the Fix. Just wait it out till healthy. They should be full strength in a few weeks

They need improved line play and QB play. Maybe they'll be correlated, but they'll still have to work through McCarthy's inexperience. The defense has also been very mediocre this year. I don't think this is the Viking's year.

[Worm Guts]

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

Sure, if you trust your franchise to come up with a quarterback. There are many franchises that have been waiting for a good franchise quarterback despite having many high picks.

Yup and the Vikings haven’t been able to find a franchise QB since Fran Tarkenton.

Outside of mediocrity with Tommy Kramer in the 80s and about 5 years of Culpepper. Vikings have just been a stopping ground for old vets on their last leg

Warren Moon, Jim McMahon, Randall Cunningham, Brett Favre, Gus Frerotte, McNab and so on. And a bunch of failed young QBs.

Don’t get me wrong, the Vikings are no Cleveland Browns when it comes to inability to find a QB. But I’d say Vikings have to be a bottom 5ish franchise when it comes to inability to find a franchise QB

In some ways, I prefer using older vets and known quantities. If a veteran QB stinks. you cut him and move on. When you draft a QB, you spend a minimum of 3 years trying to develop him, sometimes more. It's such a time sink.

[QB_Eagles]

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

Sounds like a winning formula lol.

Getting a higher draft pick doesn't guarantee you future success (Jets, Browns, Titans, Raiders, etc.)

Fwiw the hit rate on QB's coming out (draft) is around 40% on average. There are far more cases of guys who don't work out vs. those who do.

The list of QB's to come out recently isn't great either. The list of names from the 2021, '22, '23 & 2025 drafts look very underwhelming to say the least.

What's holding these teams back is not the lack of a QB. In fact, the Browns have had Mayfield for example.

Well-run teams can transition between QBs just fine. See the Packers and Patriots.

If Darnold folds in the playoffs again, the Vikings didn't make a mistake.

[QB_Eagles]

I think Vikings were just looking for a higher ceiling at quarterback and thought McCarthy would be that guy. They knew Darnold won't take them far in post season.

But Cowboys fans need to learn from Vikings. Yeah it might suck to have a QB who chokes under pressure and in playoff games but if you get rid of him you might end up with a QB that sucks in regular season too.

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

Sure, if you trust your franchise to come up with a quarterback. There are many franchises that have been waiting for a good franchise quarterback despite having many high picks.

Before Purdy got his extension you were saying teams should draft a new QB every 4-5 years.

[Duke4life831]

Sure, if you trust your franchise to come up with a quarterback. There are many franchises that have been waiting for a good franchise quarterback despite having many high picks.

Yup and the Vikings haven’t been able to find a franchise QB since Fran Tarkenton.

Outside of mediocrity with Tommy Kramer in the 80s and about 5 years of Culpepper. Vikings have just been a stopping ground for old vets on their last leg

Warren Moon, Jim McMahon, Randall Cunningham, Brett Favre, Gus Frerotte, McNab and so on. And a bunch of failed young QBs.

Don’t get me wrong, the Vikings are no Cleveland Browns when it comes to inability to find a QB. But I’d say Vikings have to be a bottom 5ish franchise when it comes to inability to find a franchise QB

In some ways, I prefer using older vets and known quantities. If a veteran QB stinks. you cut him and move on. When you draft a QB, you spend a minimum of 3 years trying to develop him, sometimes more. It's such a time sink.

Agreed. They had the, will they won’t they thing with Tavaris Jackson for a few years. Then the wasted years of watching Ponder and Teddy progress into nothing.

This is why I think moving on from Darnold was a big mistake. He was that perfect middle ground. No longer super young, 27 and had like 60 starts under his belt. But also wasn’t so old it was only looking like a 1-2 year stop gap. While also not having to break the bank to keep him.

I do think they should’ve kept him, traded JJ while his trade value why sky high before the draft. Then use those assets to improve the interior line.

Because that is Darnold’s major flaw. He handles pressure from the edges very well. Ya he will take an unnecessary sack from time to time, but he’s usually pretty damn good at stepping up in the pocket. It’s when he gets interior pressure, that’s when he goes back to the old “I’m seeing ghosts” Darnold.

[QB_Eagles]

Better to have a QB who sucks in the regular season than one who isn't clutch in the playoffs IMO.

At least the former gets you a higher draft pick.

Sure, if you trust your franchise to come up with a quarterback. There are many franchises that have been waiting for a good franchise quarterback despite having many high picks.

Yup and the Vikings haven’t been able to find a franchise QB since Fran Tarkenton.

Outside of mediocrity with Tommy Kramer in the 80s and about 5 years of Culpepper. Vikings have just been a stopping ground for old vets on their last leg

Warren Moon, Jim McMahon, Randall Cunningham, Brett Favre, Gus Frerotte, McNab and so on. And a bunch of failed young QBs.

Don’t get me wrong, the Vikings are no Cleveland Browns when it comes to inability to find a QB. But I’d say Vikings have to be a bottom 5ish franchise when it comes to inability to find a franchise QB

In their entire franchise history, i.e. since 1961, the Vikings have drafted 5 QBs in the first round.

That's barely even trying.

[Duke4life831]

Sure, if you trust your franchise to come up with a quarterback. There are many franchises that have been waiting for a good franchise quarterback despite having many high picks.

Yup and the Vikings haven’t been able to find a franchise QB since Fran Tarkenton.

Outside of mediocrity with Tommy Kramer in the 80s and about 5 years of Culpepper. Vikings have just been a stopping ground for old vets on their last leg

Warren Moon, Jim McMahon, Randall Cunningham, Brett Favre, Gus Frerotte, McNab and so on. And a bunch of failed young QBs.

Don’t get me wrong, the Vikings are no Cleveland Browns when it comes to inability to find a QB. But I’d say Vikings have to be a bottom 5ish franchise when it comes to inability to find a franchise QB

In their entire franchise history, i.e. since 1961, the Vikings have drafted 5 QBs in the first round.

That's barely even trying.

I’d say that’s mainly because they have one of the highest winning percentages in the league history. The last time I saw, they had like the 4th highest regular season winning %. So they’re rarely in position to draft a highly touted QB prospect. They usually have to reach for a QBs who are pretty limited, guys like Ponder or Teddy.

The Vikings are rarely bad enough to be in position to draft a QB in the 1st round.