2023 Draft Prospects

Post #261 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:38 pm

GoRapstheoriginal · Post #262 » by **GoRapstheoriginal** » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:44 pm

How about Tyree Wilson?

wco81 · Post #263 » by **wco81** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:16 pm

Bryce is benched in favor of Andy Dalton.

Is it the end?

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of his pass attempts in the pocket vs. outside the pocket.

I think smaller QBs are more prone to escape the pocket too soon, because as Michael Lombardi says, he can't see over the middle.

Also how many of his passes get batted down.

The presumption was that Young is very accurate and processes the game so well. But I think I've heard that since last season, he's the most sacked QB in the NFL?

Carolina doesn't have a great WR room. I see that 3 of the top 4 Panthers picks were a WR, RB and TE, drafted at #22, #72 and #101.

So they are trying to get him help.

But so far his weapons aren't getting good, early separation or Young isn't hitting them on time or both.

Maybe Daulton gets them more competitive and they can eek out a couple more wins than they otherwise would have.

But team probably could use more higher draft picks, maybe even trade down to acquire more picks for the long-term.

OTOH, this board was down on Kyler Murray a couple of seasons ago. Yet he still has some elite tools like a very good arm with quick release and short-area quickness.

Bryce doesn't have those traits, so he'd have to achieve greatness through absolute perfection on hitting receivers with optimal timing.

But that means 3 or 5 step drop and firing when the back foot hits while maybe struggling to see over the interior of the line.

Post #264 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:32 am

So is this the worst start to a #1 pick in a long long time.

18 starts and they’re already giving up on him. The Raiders gave Jamarcus Russell 25 starts before giving up on him.

Post #265 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:36 am

Duke4life831 wrote:So is this the worst start to a #1 pick in a long long time.

18 starts and they’re already giving up on him. The Raiders gave Jamarcus Russell 25 starts before giving up on him.

Ryan Leaf also started 18 games for the Chargers back in the day.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LeafRy00.htm

Jaydubb · Post #266 » by **Jaydubb** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:20 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:So is this the worst start to a #1 pick in a long long time.

18 starts and they’re already giving up on him. The Raiders gave Jamarcus Russell 25 starts before giving up on him.

Might go down as one of the worst draft picks of all time to be honest considering everything which is what they traded up to get him and who they passed on to draft him.

wco81 · Post #267 » by **wco81** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:50 pm

Lot of people are blaming the Panthers ownership.

If you think about it, would someone like Levis, who is big and has a big arm, have done better in the last 18 games?

LAKESHOW · Post #268 » by **LAKESHOW** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:36 pm

Worst start for a #1 pick? Is that a reflection of the player? Or the organization?

wco81 · Post #269 » by **wco81** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:21 pm

They're saying they didn't give him a line or good weapons.

Well they drafted weapons with the first 3 of 4 picks this year.

wco81 · Post #270 » by **wco81** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 8:12 pm

So Bryce seems to be trending up since he became the starter again.

Panthers will have either 6 or 7 wins depending on the results today. Not great but much better than after the first half of the season.

It's the NFC South though, it shouldn't take long for the Panthers to be competitive with those teams.

Still got a ways to go to justify that #1 pick. Obviously a lot of very good players chosen in that draft after Young.

Post #271 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 9:23 pm

Carolina has their QB.

Jaydubb · Post #272 » by **Jaydubb** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:47 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Carolina has their QB.

Did they trade for Tanner McKee or something

Post #273 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:10 am

El Turco wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Slowik a scapegoat for Stroud's struggles this year.

He doesnt hate Stroud, he is just compensating for claiming Bryce Young would be the best quarterback from that class

El Turco · Post #274 » by **El Turco** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:01 pm

Yeah Geno turns the ball over a lot and Stroud has playoff wins.

Post #275 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:05 pm

What, one playoff win? They've basically put out the same production.

Both have defensive head coaches. Both also dealt with poor offensive lines this season & their OC's we're fired.

They have more in common than you think. :wink:

El Turco · Post #276 » by **El Turco** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:45 pm

Two playoff wins, Stroud was the original Jayden.

You're probably the only one who thinks they have any similarities, it's obvious you've been trying to overcompensate for your poor evaluation of the 2023 draft.

Post #277 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:51 pm

Jayden is having a better rookie year than Stroud. He was better than him in college (Heisman) & now he's better in the Pro's.

I actually liked him coming out. But you have a tendency to overrate guys from Ohio State. You just do.

El Turco · Post #278 » by **El Turco** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:59 pm

Nah you were a Bryce guy. It was a swing and a miss but it happens, no need to try to prove yourself with absurd comparisons.

Post #279 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:01 pm

El Turco wrote:Nah you were a Bryce guy. It was a swing and a miss but it happens, no need to try to prove yourself with absurd comparisons.

I was a Bryce guy. But that take is looking better as of late. He played like a legit starter down the stretch of games.

Meanwhile, Stroud had his sophomore slump.

El Turco · Post #280 » by **El Turco** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:04 pm

Better yet still a galaxy away.