Dak Prescott thread

[last stand]

On wins and losses, yes

On PFF rankings? Not so much

So you don’t think daks competition has influenced his statistical output?

So who they play only effects the defensive performance

But dak is just great without context

PFF tries to remove that. They grade play by play and remove the result of the play. "Did Dak throw it where it needs to be?" regardless if it was caught or not or who is defending it.

And you don’t think competition affects that?

You don’t think playing a bad team affects the ability of a player to do certain things on the field. You sure believe it affects the defenses ability to do things.

So btw

The cowboys are top 4 in scoring allowed per PFF

So is top 4 not good enough?

[last stand]

Strength of schedule would never be enough to boost a bad QB all the way to the top of the charts anyway.

I never said dak was bad QB

I said you’re praising him for wins and killing the defense over losses and all of your reasonings contradict each other

[bluejerseyjinx]

Hell the Broncos won a SB with Peyton throwing 0 TDs and 1 INT

The idea that a defense can't hold with a poor offense is BS

So then you admit that we need a 1986 Bears defense to win a Super bowl as long a dumb Dak is our QB? I mean its not like Manning had to do much in this game except not lose it. Cam Newton only had 64 yards passing in that game, also had 1 int and got sacked 6 times.

We need more help at defense than we do at offense.

And we can and will put together a much better defense if we don't have to pay your boy 60 mill a year moving forward. Then we can go out and get our Manning or Joe flacco on the cheap and finally win a super bowl. We don't need Dak if we have a great defense, right?

[bluejerseyjinx]

Dallas should try to create a historically great defense TBH

If our game plan is to search out and find the next Mahomes or Brady we are going to be searching FOREVER.

We can and will without Dak's contract. That is what it will take to put together a historically great defense. Can't and won't be able to if we keep a over paid loser like Prescott. Lets stick to reality here If you don't mind.

[QB_Eagles]

PFF grades play by play and takes everything into account, so supposedly schedule is removed from that.

No, they do not. They grade players on a per-play basis but don't normalize by level of competition. Not that it could be done anyway. Like if one WR faces the best CB in the league for 100 snaps a season and another WR doesn't, that's just the way it is.

[Micah Prescott]

PFF grades play by play and takes everything into account, so supposedly schedule is removed from that.

No, they do not. They grade players on a per-play basis but don't normalize by level of competition. Not that it could be done anyway. Like if one WR faces the best CB in the league for 100 snaps a season and another WR doesn't, that's just the way it is.

Right but in theory that WR *should* be graded the same by them no matter what DB is on them.

I'm not saying that they are 100% accurate in accomplishing that though.

[Micah Prescott]

Dallas should try to create a historically great defense TBH

If our game plan is to search out and find the next Mahomes or Brady we are going to be searching FOREVER.

We can and will without Dak's contract. That is what it will take to put together a historically great defense. Can't and won't be able to if we keep a over paid loser like Prescott. Lets stick to reality here If you don't mind.

Lamar Jackson was given the biggest contract in NFL history and the Ravens have the best defense in the NFL.

[Micah Prescott]

PFF grades play by play and takes everything into account, so supposedly schedule is removed from that.

No, they do not. They grade players on a per-play basis but don't normalize by level of competition. Not that it could be done anyway. Like if one WR faces the best CB in the league for 100 snaps a season and another WR doesn't, that's just the way it is.

Right but in theory that WR *should* be graded the same by them no matter what DB is on them.

I'm not saying that they are 100% accurate in accomplishing that though.

And to expand on this, a great defense sacking Dak wouldn't reflect negatively by PFF on Dak. But it certainly would in the final score.

If Dak himself makes a poor throw that would reflect negatively.... no matter who the defense is.

[last stand]

Dallas should try to create a historically great defense TBH

If our game plan is to search out and find the next Mahomes or Brady we are going to be searching FOREVER.

We can and will without Dak's contract. That is what it will take to put together a historically great defense. Can't and won't be able to if we keep a over paid loser like Prescott. Lets stick to reality here If you don't mind.

Lamar Jackson was given the biggest contract in NFL history and the Ravens have the best defense in the NFL.

And the cowboys have the 4th

[Micah Prescott]

We can and will without Dak's contract. That is what it will take to put together a historically great defense. Can't and won't be able to if we keep a over paid loser like Prescott. Lets stick to reality here If you don't mind.

Lamar Jackson was given the biggest contract in NFL history and the Ravens have the best defense in the NFL.

And the cowboys have the 4th

20th in run defense... the weak spot

We do have a legit secondary

[Micah Prescott]

Dallas defense is 5th in points allowed, 6th in yards allowed

20th in rushing yards allowed


Dak is 1st in passing TDs and 1st in TD/INT ratio

[last stand]

Lamar Jackson was given the biggest contract in NFL history and the Ravens have the best defense in the NFL.

And the cowboys have the 4th

20th in run defense... the weak spot

We do have a legit secondary

The ravens are 11th in rushing

And the cowboys and ravens are nearly identical in total yards and yards per game, passing and passing yards per game and scoring defense

So maybe the ravens defense isn’t on some ridiculously different level than the cowboys?

[last stand]

Dallas defense is 5th in points allowed, 6th in yards allowed

20th in rushing yards allowed


Dak is 1st in passing TDs and 1st in TD/INT ratio

Ok so if he’s the most important piece of the team he’s most responsible for the niners and bills losses right?

Considering his statistical output was the most significant drop off compared to his typical expected level of play

[El Turco]

Back to recycling huh

Lamar's cap hit is less than Tannehill, Goff, Dak etc. Lamar's new contract hasnt really hit the books yet, we'll see if they have a good defense in a year or two. Best defense is probably Browns anyway.

[Micah Prescott]

Back to recycling huh

Lamar's cap hit is less than Tannehill, Goff, Dak etc. Lamar's new contract hasnt really hit the books yet, we'll see if they have a good defense in a year or two. Best defense is probably Browns anyway.

That's how it would be with Daks too

[El Turco]

Back to recycling huh

Lamar's cap hit is less than Tannehill, Goff, Dak etc. Lamar's new contract hasnt really hit the books yet, we'll see if they have a good defense in a year or two. Best defense is probably Browns anyway.

That's how it would be with Daks too

So status quo of a 5th seed team first year, then progressively get worse?

and no, salary cap increase wont cover it, you are going to have to find another way out of this. Salary cap increase expected 18mil, Lamar takes up 10mil, so Ravens only have 8mil to give raises to rest of the squad which means they will have to shed talent in order to give raises to their good players. There is a reason nobody wanted to give a top level contract to Lamar, teams will have less to work with at the meat of the contract and if Lamar cant cover that with his performance or gets injured(likely), the team that gave him the contract is screwed.

It would be much worse for Dallas too since they have more high performing rookie contracts they need to give raises to, which means Dallas will have to shed even more talent than Ravens at the middle of the roster.

So Ravens lose some talent from a top seeded team, Dallas loses more talent from a worse performing team. Sounds all good to me

[Mariner]

This won’t happen but imagine if the cowboys traded Dak then traded Parsons to the bears for the first overall pick. A certain poster here would lose his name. lol

[GeorgeSears]

Dak Prescott has been the best QB in the NFC East since 2016, and has ranked top 5 in QBR in 4 of those years. He's been unfairly ridiculed because he's a QB for the Cowboys.

[Mr B]

Draft and get you get younger at Oline.
Tyron is ancient. Not sure how much more we can squeeze out of him. Martin is getting older. Our Center is small and a free agent. We also need a RB that puts fear in the opponents.

I know we currently have 4 starts out on defense. Your thoughts on that side of the ball?

Defense secondary is fine with Bland and Diggs. We will need to draft another DB in the later rounds as we might lose Gilmore and Lewis.
Linebacker is difficult. Is Clark trending in the right direction? How will Overshown be after an injury and not playing?
Like our pass rush. Getting bigger on the front seven to stop the run might be a good idea.

They NEED a off ball LB. Teams have figured Clark out and if you notice have been attacking him. Overshown played well in preseason but he’s an unknown. Personally I wouldn’t be upset if they traded back out of round 1 and drafted Edgerrin Cooper out of Texas A&M in the 2nd round (along with the Center Jackson Powers-Johnson. Then draft RB TreVeyon Henderson out of Ohio St in the 3rd. If the first 3 picks are these guys I’d be very happy.

MLB - Edgerrin Cooper
C - Jackson Powers-Johnson
RB - TreVeyon Henderson

[Micah Prescott]

This won’t happen but imagine if the cowboys traded Dak then traded Parsons to the bears for the first overall pick. A certain poster here would lose his name. lol

I'd still root for both as Bears.

I was very happy to see Ware get a ring.