2023 Draft Prospects

[Cactus Jack]

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That's such a bummer. His draft stock was rising.

[Cactus Jack]

Interesting takes from Rick Spielman- former Minnesota GM.

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[Duke4life831]

Interesting takes from Rick Spielman- former Minnesota GM.

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Im commenting before watching these, just going off the thumbnails and titles. But with that said, if there is one former GM I would always go the opposite of what he says when it comes to QBs, its Rick Spielman. Spielman was the Vikings de facto GM since 06. Here are the QBs he got for the Vikings

38 year Brad Johnson
Tarvaris Jackson
37 year old Gus Frerotte
Brett Farve (one really good year, one crap year)
spent a 1st on Christian Ponder, had him for 2.5 years
Matt Cassell
spent a 1st on Teddy Checkdown
sent a 1st and 4th round pick for 1 year of Sam Bradford
Case Keenum
Captain Kirk

That has been the QB situation under the last 15 years for the Vikings and all of that was under the great Rick Spielman... The dude has no clue what a good QB looks like.

[Cactus Jack]

Im commenting before watching these, just going off the thumbnails and titles. But with that said, if there is one former GM I would always go the opposite of what he says when it comes to QBs, its Rick Spielman. Spielman was the Vikings de facto GM since 06. Here are the QBs he got for the Vikings

38 year Brad Johnson
Tarvaris Jackson
37 year old Gus Frerotte
Brett Farve (one really good year, one crap year)
spent a 1st on Christian Ponder, had him for 2.5 years
Matt Cassell
spent a 1st on Teddy Checkdown
sent a 1st and 4th round pick for 1 year of Sam Bradford
Case Keenum
Captain Kirk

That has been the QB situation under the last 15 years for the Vikings and all of that was under the great Rick Spielman... The dude has no clue what a good QB looks like.

Haha...That's quite the list.

[Duke4life831]

Im commenting before watching these, just going off the thumbnails and titles. But with that said, if there is one former GM I would always go the opposite of what he says when it comes to QBs, its Rick Spielman. Spielman was the Vikings de facto GM since 06. Here are the QBs he got for the Vikings

38 year Brad Johnson
Tarvaris Jackson
37 year old Gus Frerotte
Brett Farve (one really good year, one crap year)
spent a 1st on Christian Ponder, had him for 2.5 years
Matt Cassell
spent a 1st on Teddy Checkdown
sent a 1st and 4th round pick for 1 year of Sam Bradford
Case Keenum
Captain Kirk

That has been the QB situation under the last 15 years for the Vikings and all of that was under the great Rick Spielman... The dude has no clue what a good QB looks like.

Haha...That's quite the list.

But I will give him he has a hell of an eye for the skill positions.

Peterson
Sidney Rice (pro bowl before his hip injury derailed his career)
Percy (pro bowl before the migraines and all the other crap)
(maybe Seattle should just stay away from Viking pro bowl WRs haha)
Cordarelle Patterson
Kyle Rudolph
Diggs
Thielen
Cook
JJ

Those are some of the pro bowlers off the top of my head. Im sure I missed one or two and not mentioning super solid players that just didnt make pro bowls. The dude could draft skill players, he just turned to Sandra Bullock in Bird Box when it came to knowing what a good QB looked like haha

[Duke4life831]

I’m all for the Vikings going full on tank next year. Caleb Williams is going to be in the Mahomes/Allen tier QB.

[Cactus Jack]

I’m all for the Vikings going full on tank next year. Caleb Williams is going to be in the Mahomes/Allen tier QB.

So the plan is to offload Cousins?

I've noticed that Caleb is not very accurate when he's throwing on the run to his left. Looks awkward. It's something teams will catch on to at some point.

What do you have against Bryce Young? Is it just a size thing?

[Duke4life831]

I’m all for the Vikings going full on tank next year. Caleb Williams is going to be in the Mahomes/Allen tier QB.

So the plan is to offload Cousins?

I've noticed that Caleb is not very accurate when he's throwing on the run to his left. Looks awkward. It's something teams will catch on to at some point.

What do you have against Bryce Young? Is it just a size thing?

Meh he’s got the natural arm talent to improve in that area. He’s got the potential

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When it comes to Young I’m just very meh on him. I kind of view him as a Jack of all trades, master of none. By that I just think he’s okay-solid in every area but doesn’t really Pop! anywhere. And with that in that Alabama system where the O line is so damn dominant and elite WRs surrounding him, he really excels.

Compare him to Williams, Williams has that top tier arm strength, he may not run a 4.3, but he is so freaking freaking elusive in the pocket. Williams has elite traits that I’m willing to take the early bumps and bruises as he irons everything out.

[Cactus Jack]

What do you have against Bryce Young? Is it just a size thing?

When it comes to Young I’m just very meh on him. I kind of view him as a Jack of all trades, master of none. By that I just think he’s okay-solid in every area but doesn’t really Pop! anywhere. And with that in that Alabama system where the O line is so damn dominant and elite WRs surrounding him, he really excels.

Compare him to Williams, Williams has that top tier arm strength, he may not run a 4.3, but he is so freaking freaking elusive in the pocket. Williams has elite traits that I’m willing to take the early bumps and bruises as he irons everything out.

I think the stigma is mainly due to his size & that he plays for Bama. Because he checks all the boxes otherwise. He has amazing pocket awareness & feel. He's fantastic at alluding tacklers. Throwing with anticipation. Has an underrated arm as well. He uses the middle of the field. Which is one less thing to worry about for a QB his size. PFF has him as the highest graded QB in the country. The WR talent at Bama this year is nothing special.

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Williams and Young have greatness when it comes to mobility and escapability. Pocket awareness and scrambling abilities are off the charts. These 2 are the best in college football that I've seen, when it comes to movement

[wco81]

Are there elite pass rushers in the Pac 10 or the SEC?

You'd assume so for the SEC but probably not the Pac 10.

They're going to face real pressure in the NFL without dominant OL and WRs.

[Cactus Jack]

Are there elite pass rushers in the Pac 10 or the SEC?

You'd assume so for the SEC but probably not the Pac 10.

They're going to face real pressure in the NFL without dominant OL and WRs.

Bryce obviously faces better opponents each week. Bama lost Jameson Williams & john Metchie to the draft. While Williams has one of the best weapons in college football in Addison this season.

They're both very good prospects. Williams is just a bigger guy.

[Duke4life831]

What do you have against Bryce Young? Is it just a size thing?

When it comes to Young I’m just very meh on him. I kind of view him as a Jack of all trades, master of none. By that I just think he’s okay-solid in every area but doesn’t really Pop! anywhere. And with that in that Alabama system where the O line is so damn dominant and elite WRs surrounding him, he really excels.

Compare him to Williams, Williams has that top tier arm strength, he may not run a 4.3, but he is so freaking freaking elusive in the pocket. Williams has elite traits that I’m willing to take the early bumps and bruises as he irons everything out.

I think the stigma is mainly due to his size & that he plays for Bama. Because he checks all the boxes otherwise. He has amazing pocket awareness & feel. He's fantastic at alluding tacklers. Throwing with anticipation. Has an underrated arm as well. He uses the middle of the field. Which is one less thing to worry about for a QB his size. PFF has him as the highest graded QB in the country. The WR talent at Bama this year is nothing special.

Again I want to be clear, this isnt me saying I think Bryce is a bad prospect. I will go back and say I do think he is elite when it comes to running through a play, aka not being stuck on pass option #1. Lots of college QBs especially athletic ones have pass option #1 set before the snap and if its not there they just tuck and run. Bryce is very very good at going to option 2 and 3 on a play.

And just to extend on me being clear haha, he is a 1st round prospect for sure. I just dont see him as a top 10-15 pick (if he wasnt a QB). And my main reason is I just dont think he has elite arm talent. I think his arm is fine, but its not elite. And in my opinion the most promising young QBs in the league all have elite arm talent. And ya the size also does worry me. I think he is going to come un under 6 feet and under 200 pounds. Im just not in love with him as a prospect is all.

[wco81]

Just in terms of physical traits, is Young even as good as Kyler?

Both short guys but Kyler is much quicker and has a bigger arm.

Young may process the game better but teams are going to try to keep him in the pocket, throw over big OL and DL.

Unless he proves himself to be the next Drew Brees, he's going to have to play like young Wilson and Murray at times.

[hermes]

I’m all for the Vikings going full on tank next year. Caleb Williams is going to be in the Mahomes/Allen tier QB.

i don't see the vikings tanking after the year we're having so far. i think we're stuck with cousins unless another team becomes desperate enough to trade for him

[Cactus Jack]

Just in terms of physical traits, is Young even as good as Kyler?

Both short guys but Kyler is much quicker and has a bigger arm.

Young may process the game better but teams are going to try to keep him in the pocket, throw over big OL and DL.

Unless he proves himself to be the next Drew Brees, he's going to have to play like young Wilson and Murray at times.

Kyler isn't a leader.

Bryce is more of a point guard playing the position.

[wco81]

Just in terms of physical traits, is Young even as good as Kyler?

Both short guys but Kyler is much quicker and has a bigger arm.

Young may process the game better but teams are going to try to keep him in the pocket, throw over big OL and DL.

Unless he proves himself to be the next Drew Brees, he's going to have to play like young Wilson and Murray at times.

Kyler isn't a leader.

Bryce is more of a point guard playing the position.

Yes, maybe more mentally and emotionally suited to be a franchise QB.

But does he have the arm talent and other physical traits to be more than a game manager? If he was 6-2 and 220 and still had speed to make plays, then definitely a top 3 pick.

We will see where he's taken and whether he gets to play early in his career. Maybe Tua putting up big numbers this year will change the opinion about small Alabama QBs.

But he's got two stud WRs.

[Duke4life831]

I’m all for the Vikings going full on tank next year. Caleb Williams is going to be in the Mahomes/Allen tier QB.

i don't see the vikings tanking after the year we're having so far. i think we're stuck with cousins unless another team becomes desperate enough to trade for him

That was more just me being facetious, I know there will be no tanking for the Vikes. And in all honesty Im fine with Cousins. Since what 2004 the last year of prime Culpepper weve had 2-3 years of good QB play outside of Kirk? 1 year of Brett, 1 year of Case and maybe you can count 1 year of Teddy when he made the pro bowl. Still have no clue how that happened when he only threw for 14 TDs that year haha.

So ya after decades of horrible QB play, Im cool with limited but solid QB play haha.

[Duke4life831]

Just in terms of physical traits, is Young even as good as Kyler?

Both short guys but Kyler is much quicker and has a bigger arm.

Young may process the game better but teams are going to try to keep him in the pocket, throw over big OL and DL.

Unless he proves himself to be the next Drew Brees, he's going to have to play like young Wilson and Murray at times.

Kyler isn't a leader.

Bryce is more of a point guard playing the position.

Ya Im as high on Kyler when it comes to his physical tools as anyone. Elite shiftiness, elite top end speed, top tier arm talent. He's short but that doesnt really effect his game. The problem with Kyler is 100% between the ears. Nothing physically is holding Kyler back from being a top tier QB, Kyler is the only thing holding Kyler back.

That is definitely not a worry when it comes to Bryce. There will never be any "required film sessions" tossed into a contract with Bryce haha.

[Cactus Jack]

Kyler isn't a leader.

Ya Im as high on Kyler when it comes to his physical tools as anyone. Elite shiftiness, elite top end speed, top tier arm talent. He's short but that doesnt really effect his game. The problem with Kyler is 100% between the ears. Nothing physically is holding Kyler back from being a top tier QB, Kyler is the only thing holding Kyler back.

That is definitely not a worry when it comes to Bryce. There will never be any "required film sessions" tossed into a contract with Bryce haha.

Confirmed lol.

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In regards to Bryce, I think his size will be somewhat of an issue when it comes to his health long-term. But again, him & Kyler are different in ways that I don't think is a fair comparison to make other than their height. They seem to have completely different personalities. Bryce being more of a team leader & high character.