NFL MVP with 2 weeks to go !

[azcatz11]

This is such a fallacy you have created lol

2018: 18 td (10 pass td 8 rush td)
2019: 29 td (20 pass td 9 rush td)
2020: 45 td (37 pass td 8 rush td)
2021: 42 td (36 pass td 6 rush td)
2022: 42 td (35 pass td 7 rush td)
2023: 44 td (29 pass td 15 rush td)
2024: 40 td (28 pass td 12 rush td)

Burrow this season with 1 game left to go... 44 td (42 pass td 2 rush td)

In 2020 Stefon Diggs led the league in receiving yards and receptions; he was Pro Bowl and All-Pro. Heck, Beasley nearly had 1,000 yards receiving that season and he was All-Pro too.

In 2021 Diggs went for over 1,000 again was still Pro Bowl. Beasley was still there, 1 season removed from being All-Pro. They added old man Emmanuel Sanders as their 3rd WR who was only a few seasons removed from being Pro Bowl. Plus, Gabe Davis was the perfect 4th WR/red zone target.

They traded Diggs. They let Beasley seek a trade and when he couldn't find one, they released him. Sanders retired. They let Davis walk in free agency. You claim Cook is the only skill position player that Allen has, it is the Bills own fault.

Higgins has never been All-Pro or a Pro Bowler. Chase hasn't been All-Pro since his rookie season. By accolades, Allen has had better WR corps than Burrow...

Allen: better deep ball passer, mobility, twitchier arm (can hit more throws than Burrow anywhere on the field)

Burrow: more accurate intermediate, better pocket awareness, moves better in the pocket, better decision maker

Do you agree with the above? Feels like we're splitting hairs a bit but that's kind of how I see it. Diggs, at best, was a Tier 2 receiver. I don't think anyone ever had him Tier 1. Even in 2020 I don't think people thought he was Tier 1. Hopkins, Adams + Tyreek were probably the best receivers that year and Diggs a level below. JJ also his rookie year.

I'll put it to you this way, you can gift Allen whoever you believe the best 2 WR in history, in their primes and Allen still wouldn't throw 60 TD in that season. He's not accurate enough and relies on his legs to score too much.

Manning holds the record with 55 passing TD in a season and he's as pure of a pocket passer as the league ever witnessed.

That's fair. But we both know Chase + Higgins are by far the best WR duo in the league. And I even told you many times I don't think that's why Burrow is good but it sure helps his numbers.

[hermes]

what about goff? should he be in contention? the lions are really good

[azcatz11]

what about goff? should he be in contention? the lions are really good

I think most people still consider him a system QB?

[bwgood77]

Probably Lamar, but really I think any of the top 3 guys (him, Allen, Barkley) are fine choices.

I wonder how many people would be considered for rookie of the year. I'm sure Jayden Daniels will get it but what the top 5 be. Bowers has been awesome. McConkey has been impressive (though of course I watch him and don't watch all the others)...not sure who else. I know Nabers has been awesome but he was injured a bit.

[El Turco]

When there are no standout quarterback options I am ok with a great running back winning it.

[Jaydubb]

When there are no standout quarterback options I am ok with a great running back winning it.

They haven’t confirmed either way on Barkley but the way they are talking makes me think that he might play. Sirianni mentioned that he allowed devonta smith to play in the last game of his rookie season so that smith could break the eagles rookie receiving record. That was the year they went to the Super Bowl.

Only question I have is if Barkley plays, does he play behind the backup OL or does he play behind the starting OL? And does Jalen hurts play, because Jalen hurts impacts the running game for saquon. If it was up to me, I wouldn’t put the starting OL out there but if they do I’d say at most 1quarter. Get as much as he can in that one quarter and then try to get the rest behind the backup OL. Playing jalen hurts might not be a bad idea after missing a few games but a half is probably most I’d do for him. Of course this might also impact how long the OL is out there as you don’t wanna play your starting QB behind the backup OL..lol

[JujitsuFlip]

Allen: better deep ball passer, mobility, twitchier arm (can hit more throws than Burrow anywhere on the field)

Burrow: more accurate intermediate, better pocket awareness, moves better in the pocket, better decision maker

Do you agree with the above? Feels like we're splitting hairs a bit but that's kind of how I see it. Diggs, at best, was a Tier 2 receiver. I don't think anyone ever had him Tier 1. Even in 2020 I don't think people thought he was Tier 1. Hopkins, Adams + Tyreek were probably the best receivers that year and Diggs a level below. JJ also his rookie year.

I'll put it to you this way, you can gift Allen whoever you believe the best 2 WR in history, in their primes and Allen still wouldn't throw 60 TD in that season. He's not accurate enough and relies on his legs to score too much.

Manning holds the record with 55 passing TD in a season and he's as pure of a pocket passer as the league ever witnessed.

That's fair. But we both know Chase + Higgins are by far the best WR duo in the league. And I even told you many times I don't think that's why Burrow is good but it sure helps his numbers.

Maybe they are but you can't fault Burrow for the Bills trading Diggs, releasing Beasley once he couldn't find a trade, and letting Davis walk in free agency for nothing. Sanders retiring is no ones fault.

If Allen has no skill position players worth throwing to outside of Cook, it is on his franchise.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2024/12/30/troy-aikman-bengals-joe-burrow-nfl-mvp-vote-monday-night-football/77339172007/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0g7WwOqwYh8dUezF9a8IgpXUE4ZU5T6Ewajo7Z_2-2esrhPKvJRlLQAZk_aem_5tm6wqcZifG-xN1ILgqrbw

FWIW, Aikman thinks Burrow is the MVP.

[Jaydubb]

The eagles are officially resting saquon Barkley so safe to say he’s out.

[QB_Eagles]

The eagles are officially resting saquon Barkley so safe to say he’s out.

Yeah, I'm not even mad. A lot of records are going to be broken because of the extra game. But he got to 2000 rush yards in 16 games.

[GeorgeSears]

The eagles are officially resting saquon Barkley so safe to say he’s out.

Huge scumbag move by Sirianni. Whenever you have a chance to make history, you take it. That's been the history of sports. The idea that they don't want to risk injury is silly, because this is the sport where anyone can get injured during the playoffs at any moment.

The Eagles better win the Superbowl now. Otherwise, it'll be a 2009 Colts situation where they miss out on a record and miss out on a Superbowl and it ends up crushing the team morale going forward.

[bwgood77]

The eagles are officially resting saquon Barkley so safe to say he’s out.

Huge scumbag move by Sirianni. Whenever you have a chance to make history, you take it. That's been the history of sports. The idea that they don't want to risk injury is silly, because this is the sport where anyone can get injured during the playoffs at any moment.

The Eagles better win the Superbowl now. Otherwise, it'll be a 2009 Colts situation where they miss out on a record and miss out on a Superbowl and it ends up crushing the team morale going forward.

They may have asked him and he said let the young guys do it. I've seen it happen twice when guys could break records where the coach asked them if they wanted to play to break it and they didn't want to and wanted to let the younger guys get time.

[Jaydubb]

The eagles are officially resting saquon Barkley so safe to say he’s out.

Yeah, I'm not even mad. A lot of records are going to be broken because of the extra game. But he got to 2000 rush yards in 16 games.

Yeah back to back years that a record was close to being broken, tyreek last year and saquon this year. Lots of records are about to be reset.

[Mr B]

The eagles are officially resting saquon Barkley so safe to say he’s out.

Yeah, I'm not even mad. A lot of records are going to be broken because of the extra game. But he got to 2000 rush yards in 16 games.

Yeah back to back years that a record was close to being broken, tyreek last year and saquon this year. Lots of records are about to be reset.

I don’t think Emmitt’s record will ever be broken.

[GeorgeSears]

The eagles are officially resting saquon Barkley so safe to say he’s out.

Huge scumbag move by Sirianni. Whenever you have a chance to make history, you take it. That's been the history of sports. The idea that they don't want to risk injury is silly, because this is the sport where anyone can get injured during the playoffs at any moment.

The Eagles better win the Superbowl now. Otherwise, it'll be a 2009 Colts situation where they miss out on a record and miss out on a Superbowl and it ends up crushing the team morale going forward.

They may have asked him and he said let the young guys do it. I've seen it happen twice when guys could break records where the coach asked them if they wanted to play to break it and they didn't want to and wanted to let the younger guys get time.

Which is something you should never do. The player will always feel pressured to follow the "best interests" of the team and capitulate.

This is something that Sirianni should intuitively know and the fact he even brought it up for discussion is ridiculous. You go for the record every time!

I hearken back to 2009 when the Colts could've gone 16-0 and instead started benching Peyton in the 2nd half of the last two games because they were worried about injuries. They made the Superbowl and lost. So, they missed out on history and the Superbowl. That was Bill Polian's hare-brained idea.

[Jaydubb]

Yeah, I'm not even mad. A lot of records are going to be broken because of the extra game. But he got to 2000 rush yards in 16 games.

Yeah back to back years that a record was close to being broken, tyreek last year and saquon this year. Lots of records are about to be reset.

I don’t think Emmitt’s record will ever be broken.

Probably true since teams don’t run as much. I mean it’s like an average of 1,250 yards per year for 15 years. Derrick Henry is on pace but is he gonna keep up the pace AND is he gonna play till he’s 37?

[bwgood77]

Huge scumbag move by Sirianni. Whenever you have a chance to make history, you take it. That's been the history of sports. The idea that they don't want to risk injury is silly, because this is the sport where anyone can get injured during the playoffs at any moment.

The Eagles better win the Superbowl now. Otherwise, it'll be a 2009 Colts situation where they miss out on a record and miss out on a Superbowl and it ends up crushing the team morale going forward.

They may have asked him and he said let the young guys do it. I've seen it happen twice when guys could break records where the coach asked them if they wanted to play to break it and they didn't want to and wanted to let the younger guys get time.

Which is something you should never do. The player will always feel pressured to follow the "best interests" of the team and capitulate.

This is something that Sirianni should intuitively know and the fact he even brought it up for discussion is ridiculous. You go for the record every time!

I hearken back to 2009 when the Colts could've gone 16-0 and instead started benching Peyton in the 2nd half of the last two games because they were worried about injuries. They made the Superbowl and lost. So, they missed out on history and the Superbowl. That was Bill Polian's hare-brained idea.

Players might not want to risk injury for a meaningless record. They'd may rather take a week off to get ready for the playoffs.

[Mr B]

Yeah back to back years that a record was close to being broken, tyreek last year and saquon this year. Lots of records are about to be reset.

I don’t think Emmitt’s record will ever be broken.

Probably true since teams don’t run as much. I mean it’s like an average of 1,250 yards per year for 15 years. Derrick Henry is on pace but is he gonna keep up the pace AND is he gonna play till he’s 37?

Yea that is the main reason I doubt it will ever be broken. Teams don’t invest that much into a “bell cow” type RB anymore, they prefer the RB by committee approach for the most part. Plus RB’s just typically do not play that long.

[Jaydubb]

I don’t think Emmitt’s record will ever be broken.

Probably true since teams don’t run as much. I mean it’s like an average of 1,250 yards per year for 15 years. Derrick Henry is on pace but is he gonna keep up the pace AND is he gonna play till he’s 37?

Yea that is the main reason I doubt it will ever be broken. Teams don’t invest that much into a “bell cow” type RB anymore, they prefer the RB by committee approach for the most part. Plus RB’s just typically do not play that long.

I think the best way to do it is somebody needs to start their career averaging insane numbers. Like average 1500 the first 5-6 years then average at least 1200 the next 4-5 years then average 1,000 the last 4-5 years. Easier said than done, I know, but that’s basically how Emmitt did it.

The last 5 years is always gonna be the hardest part in my opinion. Players are usually already worn down by year 10 but also teams probably don’t want you to be the featured back too much longer after age 32-33 or so because injury risk is much higher.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I think the logical choice is Lamar even as a Ravens fan I think Josh should get it but it's hard to argue with Lamar's total production close to 5k total yards (passing and rushing) and 43 total TDs with only 4 INTs. I wouldn't be mad if they picked Josh though, Barkley had a year for the ages but I think he's going to get OPOTY