State Of Cowboys Union; Today And The last 30 years. Where do the Cowboys have it all wrong and where is it going?

[Mr B]

Jerry already knows he is going to fire McCarthy, but obviously when asked he has to say McCarthy is the man. He isn't going to tell the media he is planning to move from McCarthy and the season is over as that would cause chaos.

I think what I just said is probably obvious to most of you, but not quite all of you.

Maybe Jerry is gonna flip a coin at the end of the season, whether to fire McCarthy.

Is that how you handle important decisions, flip a coin?

[Mr B]

Actually edit: Jerry will not fire McCarthy as it is the end of his contract. He just knows he won't be extending him.

Belichick is coming. There is no 12-5 season to delay it this time.

You sure? I mean this is the same guy that stuck with Jason Garrett way longer than he should've.

I don't think McCarthy will be back myself. But you never know with Jerry. I mean common sense said he should've moved on after the Green Bay debacle.

I don’t know if Belichick is coming to Dallas to coach or not but it definitely won’t be MM. Garrett was different because he and his family had been part of the team since Jerry bought the team. Jerry views him almost like a son. MM doesn’t have that kind of relationship with the Jones family.

[QB_Eagles]

Jerry already knows he is going to fire McCarthy, but obviously when asked he has to say McCarthy is the man. He isn't going to tell the media he is planning to move from McCarthy and the season is over as that would cause chaos.

I think what I just said is probably obvious to most of you, but not quite all of you.

Maybe Jerry is gonna flip a coin at the end of the season, whether to fire McCarthy.

Is that how you handle important decisions, flip a coin?

Yeah, it's all just luck anyway.

[Micah Prescott]

Maybe Jerry is gonna flip a coin at the end of the season, whether to fire McCarthy.

Is that how you handle important decisions, flip a coin?

Yeah, it's all just luck anyway.

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

[Mr B]

Is that how you handle important decisions, flip a coin?

Yeah, it's all just luck anyway.

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

I think he also got butthurt too when I asked why do people celebrate losing in the playoffs and referring that as the pussification of America. Lol

[QB_Eagles]

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

Only in the sense that Wentz probably doesn't win the Super Bowl.

But Nick Foles actually did play extremely well, so by calling that luck you're just looking ignorant.

I think he also got butthurt too when I asked why do people celebrate losing in the playoffs and referring that as the pussification of America. Lol

Pussification of America is not caring about the humiliation your Cowboys suffered last postseason and claiming it's exactly the same outcome as the 49ers who lost a close SB.

[Micah Prescott]

You know, a GM selecting a coach is NOT luck. However, the available options certainly are.

One of the reasons I do not blame Jerry for hiring McCarthy is that the available options at the time were a giant pile of dog s**t. Fans in general were unhappy about the hire, but when asked who it should have been they were left scratching their head.

This time though? Jerry is lucky enough to have Belichick as an option. And he better not f**k this one up, it's all perfectly laid out for him. A child who plays Madden would know which buttons to press here.

[El Turco]

Is that how you handle important decisions, flip a coin?

Yeah, it's all just luck anyway.

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

That's actually an atrocious example, that team was 11-2 with Wentz and had 7 pro bowlers including three fifths of the offensive line. They had an excellent team top to bottom and they didnt just stumble upon those players at a cheesesteak shop.

I guess Ravens were also lucky to win a super bowl with a mediocre quarterback despite building the best defense ever.

[Micah Prescott]

Yeah, it's all just luck anyway.

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

That's actually an atrocious example, that team was 11-2 with Wentz and had 7 pro bowlers including three fifths of the offensive line. They had an excellent team top to bottom and they didnt just stumble upon those players at a cheesesteak shop.

I guess Ravens were also lucky to win a super bowl with a mediocre quarterback despite building the best defense ever.

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

Drew Bledsoe got injured and it led to the Patriots starting Brady.


You guys are using the strawman that I am trying to suggest it is "ALL" 100% luck. But that isn't what I am saying, and the fact that so much of this sports falls into fortunate or unfortunate shouldn't be that difficult to accept. But like I said when I started, this is something fans just like to ignore completely or pretend doesn't exist.

[El Turco]

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

That's actually an atrocious example, that team was 11-2 with Wentz and had 7 pro bowlers including three fifths of the offensive line. They had an excellent team top to bottom and they didnt just stumble upon those players at a cheesesteak shop.

I guess Ravens were also lucky to win a super bowl with a mediocre quarterback despite building the best defense ever.

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

Drew Bledsoe got injured and it led to the Patriots starting Brady.


You guys are using the strawman that I am trying to suggest it is "ALL" 100% luck. But that isn't what I am saying, and the fact that so much of this sports falls into fortunate or unfortunate shouldn't be that difficult to accept. But like I said when I started, this is something fans just like to ignore completely or pretend doesn't exist.

Nobody knows whether Wentz would have won but the fact is he led his team to a very good record and was a MVP front runner. Foles wouldnt have made that run with a 7-9 type of team, Eagles built a loaded team and gave themselves a chance in a one game format--and they've been doing that ever since then for the most part. Single game or playoff run can come down to luck, consistently putting yourself in a position to succeed(or fail in Cowboys case) is not luck.

Brady was a 4th stringer when he was drafted, someone saw enough from him to make him a back up. Brady's early success is credited to Patriot's team building anyway, who knows if he would have developed the same way with an incompetent management.

[Micah Prescott]

That's actually an atrocious example, that team was 11-2 with Wentz and had 7 pro bowlers including three fifths of the offensive line. They had an excellent team top to bottom and they didnt just stumble upon those players at a cheesesteak shop.

I guess Ravens were also lucky to win a super bowl with a mediocre quarterback despite building the best defense ever.

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

Drew Bledsoe got injured and it led to the Patriots starting Brady.


You guys are using the strawman that I am trying to suggest it is "ALL" 100% luck. But that isn't what I am saying, and the fact that so much of this sports falls into fortunate or unfortunate shouldn't be that difficult to accept. But like I said when I started, this is something fans just like to ignore completely or pretend doesn't exist.

Nobody knows whether Wentz would have won but the fact is he led his team to a very good record and was a MVP front runner. Foles wouldnt have made that run with a 7-9 type of team, Eagles built a loaded team and gave themselves a chance in a one game format--and they've been doing that ever since then for the most part. Single game or playoff run can come down to luck, consistently putting yourself in a position to succeed(or fail in Cowboys case) is not luck.

Brady was a 4th stringer when he was drafted, someone saw enough from him to make him a back up. Brady's early success is credited to Patriot's team building anyway, who knows if he would have developed the same way with an incompetent management.

A great GM definitely can put the ODDS in your favor, but that is all they can do. They can't guarantee that the kicker hits the winning FG in overtime.

The entire reason every other sport has a 7-game series is because any team can get lucky just one time. And one of the biggest draws to the NFL is the "Any Given Sunday" aspect to it. THE GAME OF INCHES. Where it is completely possible for the undefeated Patriots to lose just once. Steph Curry has off games where he misses a lot of shots. Sometimes they just don't go in.

This is a sport that owes much of it's success to luck, but no one wants to admit it.

[Micah Prescott]

You know why the Giants beat the 18-0 Patriots?

Because "things went their way" for that one game

They play 7 games? It's a Patriots ring.



It makes the game way more exciting. Everything is on the line for that one moment. Do or die. But the con to it? Is that sometimes the best team doesn't win.

[QB_Eagles]

You know, a GM selecting a coach is NOT luck.

It absolutely is if you attach any kind of expected outcome to the process.

If there was no luck involved, then given the frequency at which NFL head coaches get fired, GMs (and owners) must absolutely suck at choosing coaches.

In fact you'd probably have a harder time predicting if a given newly hired HC will still be under contract 3 years from now than it is to predict the outcome of a given NFL game. Yet one is based on chance according to you and the other isn't.

[El Turco]

And there is a reason Giants won another super bowl few years later, because management of that time built a good team that put them in a position to win. Building one of the best pass rushes of all time certainly is not all luck.

[QB_Eagles]

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

I mean, on the play he got hurt, Wentz dove head-first towards the goal line in between two defenders.

I wouldn't say he was just unlucky.

[Micah Prescott]

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

I mean, on the play he got hurt, Wentz dove head-first towards the goal line in between two defenders.

I wouldn't say he was just unlucky.

This would lead to semantics debate on what "lucky" means.

We could debate it. Him being in that situation to begin with is fortune. Pointless debate though.

I can admit that the Eagles had a great roster that season. I can admit that it certainly wasn't 100% luck. But wouldn't you agree though that the stars magically aligned for the Eagles that year? That certain things went their way that were beyond anyone's control? I am not even trying to degrade the ring here either as I think every ring in the NFL requires a degree of fortune. Some more than others, but things have to go your way.

One of Brady's rings he owes to the tuck rule, another he owes to a Pete Carroll call. He is the GOAT, but he still needed these things out of his control for those rings.

[QB_Eagles]

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

I mean, on the play he got hurt, Wentz dove head-first towards the goal line in between two defenders.

I wouldn't say he was just unlucky.

This would lead to semantics debate on what "lucky" means.

We could debate it. Him being in that situation to begin with is fortune. Pointless debate though.

I can admit that the Eagles had a great roster that season. I can admit that it certainly wasn't 100% luck. But wouldn't you agree though that the stars magically aligned for the Eagles that year? That certain things went their way that were beyond anyone's control? I am not even trying to degrade the ring here either as I think every ring in the NFL requires a degree of fortune. Some more than others, but things have to go your way.

One of Brady's rings he owes to the tuck rule, another he owes to a Pete Carroll call. He is the GOAT, but he still needed these things out of his control for those rings.

Not really. In fact on the forum I was previously (along with jaydubb and others, who can confirm this), there was an extremely annoying Pats fan and I bet him that the loser would have to quit the site.

Foles over his career was a below average QB but he did already have his cleats in the Hall of Fame before the Super Bowl from throwing 7 TD in a game. So him playing out of his mind on a great team wasn't completely out of left field.

Other Eagles fans think Wentz would have won for sure, but I'm really not that sure about it.

[Micah Prescott]

I mean, on the play he got hurt, Wentz dove head-first towards the goal line in between two defenders.

I wouldn't say he was just unlucky.

This would lead to semantics debate on what "lucky" means.

We could debate it. Him being in that situation to begin with is fortune. Pointless debate though.

I can admit that the Eagles had a great roster that season. I can admit that it certainly wasn't 100% luck. But wouldn't you agree though that the stars magically aligned for the Eagles that year? That certain things went their way that were beyond anyone's control? I am not even trying to degrade the ring here either as I think every ring in the NFL requires a degree of fortune. Some more than others, but things have to go your way.

One of Brady's rings he owes to the tuck rule, another he owes to a Pete Carroll call. He is the GOAT, but he still needed these things out of his control for those rings.

Not really. In fact on the forum I was previously (along with jaydubb and others, who can confirm this), there was an extremely annoying Pats fan and I bet him that the loser would have to quit the site.

Foles over his career was a below average QB but he did already have his cleats in the Hall of Fame before the Super Bowl from throwing 7 TD in a game. So him playing out of his mind on a great team wasn't completely out of left field.

Other Eagles fans think Wentz would have won for sure, but I'm really not that sure about it.

So nothing went the Eagle's way? If we replayed the 2017 season 10 times the Eagles would win the Super Bowl every time?

I think that this extreme level of denial exists in fans because they don't want to believe that their team needed any fortune. But it's just not a realistic take.

I can pin CeeDee Lamb on Jerry Jones and probably get away with it. But the reality is that CeeDee Lamb just luckily fell in his lap. And that is the center piece to our offense. When you REALLY REALLY try to look at things objectively, it is difficult to ignore what is really happening IMO. And what is really happening? A lot of things are that are out of the GM's control.

[bluejerseyjinx]

If that is the case then every GM and coach has nothing to worry about then. ITS ALL LUCK. You guys do see what has been happening in this thread, don't ya. See micah still thinks the Cowboys can still win with Jerry the GM and Dumb Dak the QB. This is his way of defending the both of them. He's been doing it for 3 years in the Cowboy forum. Jerry and Dak can do no wrong.

[Mr B]

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

Only in the sense that Wentz probably doesn't win the Super Bowl.

But Nick Foles actually did play extremely well, so by calling that luck you're just looking ignorant.

I think he also got butthurt too when I asked why do people celebrate losing in the playoffs and referring that as the pussification of America. Lol

Pussification of America is not caring about the humiliation your Cowboys suffered last postseason and claiming it's exactly the same outcome as the 49ers who lost a close SB.

Like I said, you got butthurt.