Where do you have Roger Staubach rated in your all-time NFL QB list?

[bluejerseyjinx]

Unless you arguing human genes changed over the last 50 years, then I don't see how players from the 70s or 80s couldn't reach the same weight and speed as today with the same strength & conditioning, if they were playing today.

The talent pool changed, not their genes.

The defenses that Roger faced are much smaller and slower than the defenses today. And the QBs that Roger had to beat out to win a starting position were much less, and much fewer. Football did have the popularity then that it does now.

Would Roger still be elite if he grew up with today's training? Impossible to know, which is why ranking across eras like that is impossible. The only way to do it is to just use what they accomplished in their own era.

You just have to be realistic though, Jim Brown, while an athletic freak and elite talent, ran against skinny white dudes in comparison to today's defenses. He had it WAY WAY WAY easier.

Absolutely. That, with today's rules, Staubach and Drew Pearson would have eaten it up and had much longer careers. Easily.

[Cactus Jack]

I have him just above Dak Prescott.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I have him just above Dak Prescott.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Top 15ish I will give my list

1) Brady - if you argue it you don't know football and I hate every Massachusetts team but Brady has pretty much every QB record you'd want and many look like they will stand.

2) Montana -. I get Bill Walsh's system helped and Jerry Rice but Montana is HIM just look how long his records stood for

3) Mahomes could argue the 2nd spot especially with a 3peat but he's still got plenty of time left I think he's #2 all time when he retires

4) Dan Marino - I get the whole ringless argument but Marino was lethal I'd argue he would probably throw for 6k yards a season in this league

5) Payton Manning - probably has the highest football IQ I'd argue if there's no Brady in the AFC or football Manning breaks the SB record

6) John Elway - maybe the best pure athlete of any QB in history was tough and arguably the guy you'd want to lead your team trailing with less than 2 minutes

7) Favre - IMHO has the strongest arm in his history and tough as nails I mean 321 consecutive starts is crazy in that era plus has the numbers to back it up only thing is the INTs drop him behind Elway

8) Drew Brees - his numbers are insane 80k yards and 500+ TDS with a career 68% completion rate is insane

9) Steve Young - crazy to think he didn't start until he was 31 but take his numbers from 92-96 and they are video game like

10) Aaron Rodgers - I get the argument to have him higher, I just take Young and Brees first.

11) Fran Tarkenton - Had a lot of the all time passing records for a long time. Hard to keep him off any top 15 list

12) Ben Roethlisthberger - I hate the Steelers but big Ben was impossible to tackle at times much like Josh Allen (I'd say Josh is more athletic) plus Ben had a cannon of a arm.

13) Staubach - this feels right for him, wish we had a full NFL career to fully debate this but got to respect his navy commitment. What keeps him out the top 10 for me is he was never a high TD to INT guy. Some could argue that guys like Aikman, Fouts, Bradshaw, Warner, Unitas, Starr, Kelly and maybe Warren Moon should be above him. Then you have the guys still playing like Josh Allen, Jackson, Burrow and Stafford plus Hurts if he continues

[bluejerseyjinx]

Roger doesn't have the numbers like most of the modern players. Roger played in an era where they played 12 games a year later becoming 14 games. Today they play 17 and there is an extra round of playoffs. So automatically today's QB's that make the playoffs have 4 games every year to padd their numbers to those back in the 60's, 70's and 80's. I don't think it is fair to point this out. I Know it was mentioned above, but Roger was drafted in 1964 but did his service first before joining the Cowboys and lost 4 years there of development and playing time. Then after the 79 season Roger decided to retire in his prime. Said it was about concussions but he was really upset Landry wouldn't let him call his own plays. What really sucked about the early retirement, the Cowboys went on to lose 3 straight NFC championship games. No way they lose those games with Staubach. But the reason I have roger so much higher than most was what he accomplished in such a short period of time. In a 10 year span,Roger played in 5 super bowls and 7 nfc championship games.

[john4psu]

Excellent points. You have him in the top 10 QBs all-time?

[azcatz11]

Top 15ish I will give my list

1) Brady - if you argue it you don't know football and I hate every Massachusetts team but Brady has pretty much every QB record you'd want and many look like they will stand.

2) Montana -. I get Bill Walsh's system helped and Jerry Rice but Montana is HIM just look how long his records stood for

3) Mahomes could argue the 2nd spot especially with a 3peat but he's still got plenty of time left I think he's #2 all time when he retires

4) Dan Marino - I get the whole ringless argument but Marino was lethal I'd argue he would probably throw for 6k yards a season in this league

5) Payton Manning - probably has the highest football IQ I'd argue if there's no Brady in the AFC or football Manning breaks the SB record

6) John Elway - maybe the best pure athlete of any QB in history was tough and arguably the guy you'd want to lead your team trailing with less than 2 minutes

7) Favre - IMHO has the strongest arm in his history and tough as nails I mean 321 consecutive starts is crazy in that era plus has the numbers to back it up only thing is the INTs drop him behind Elway

8) Drew Brees - his numbers are insane 80k yards and 500+ TDS with a career 68% completion rate is insane

9) Steve Young - crazy to think he didn't start until he was 31 but take his numbers from 92-96 and they are video game like

10) Aaron Rodgers - I get the argument to have him higher, I just take Young and Brees first.

11) Fran Tarkenton - Had a lot of the all time passing records for a long time. Hard to keep him off any top 15 list

12) Ben Roethlisthberger - I hate the Steelers but big Ben was impossible to tackle at times much like Josh Allen (I'd say Josh is more athletic) plus Ben had a cannon of a arm.

13) Staubach - this feels right for him, wish we had a full NFL career to fully debate this but got to respect his navy commitment. What keeps him out the top 10 for me is he was never a high TD to INT guy. Some could argue that guys like Aikman, Fouts, Bradshaw, Warner, Unitas, Starr, Kelly and maybe Warren Moon should be above him. Then you have the guys still playing like Josh Allen, Jackson, Burrow and Stafford plus Hurts if he continues

Solid list. I like you have Marino high. I feel he’s been underrated because of team success but he has the best live arm of all time imo

[bluejerseyjinx]

Excellent points. You have him in the top 10 QBs all-time?

I have him in my top 3 from my era. Staubach, Montana and Elway.

[azcatz11]

Excellent points. You have him in the top 10 QBs all-time?

I have him in my top 3 from my era. Staubach, Montana and Elway.

Just curious where you have Marino?

[bluejerseyjinx]

Excellent points. You have him in the top 10 QBs all-time?

I have him in my top 3 from my era. Staubach, Montana and Elway.

Just curious where you have Marino?

I've always had a hard time answering this question. A lot was asked of Marino without much help from having a running game and having average defenses for the most part. Marino was certainly good enough and very much talented enough to win multiple super bowls. He might have had the absolute best release of any QB I've ever seen. But except for one super bowl appearance with the Killer Bees, Marino really didn't play all that well come playoff time. Bit of a choker some would say. There is a past thread I think that can answer your question better. I will go find it.

[john4psu]

I see so many like stats. I prefer wins and playing great when the pressure and the spotlight is the greatest. Which drops Marino way down my list.

In the regular season, he was good enough to beat the '85 Bears. However, in the post-season, he couldn't beat the '85 Patriots - at home - in Miami - and was badly outplayed by the great Tony Eason. No defense? He was drafted by a team that was just in the Super Bowl. Do you think David Woodley's passing got them there or was it the Killer B's defense?

No running game? Another myth. Plenty of examples of teams that won a Super Bowl with far less of a running game than Marino had in Miami. What was the excuse at Pitt? Bobby Bowden said that Pitt's 1980 team was the greatest college football team he ever saw. Maybe check how Marino played in big games in college.

The greats are supposed to elevate lesser talent.

Brady won 4 rings handing off to Antwain Smith, Sony Michel and Leonard Fournette.
Manning won his with Joseph Addai and CJ Anderson as his backs.
Mahomes has had Damian Williams and Isaiah Pacheco.
Rodgers had some guy named Brandon Jackson.

Check out his performances in all the Dolphins' post-season losses. Zero rings at every level. Stats don't lie.

Marino choked in big games: stats don't lie:
'83 playoff team vs Seattle 2 Ints 77.6 QBR
'84 SB vs SF 2 ints 66.9 QBR
'85 vs NE at home 2 ints 54.9 QBR
'90 vs Buffalo 2 ints 72.1 QBR
'92 vs Buffalo at home 2 ints 56.5 QBR

The only playoff loss he played well
'94 vs SD 0 ints 109.8 QBR

1995 vs Buffalo 3 ints 63.4 QBR
1997 vs NE 2 ints 29.3 QBR!
1998 vs Denv 2 ints 65.5 QBR
1999 vs Jax 2 ints 34.6 QBR!

Two-interception Marino was a big game choking turnover machine!

Five times in his career Marino had a top 10 defense in points allowed. Three times he had a top five defense. Twice he had a defense that led the league in fewest points allowed. How'd that work out for two-turnover Danny?

Marino played for not just one but TWO hall of fame coaches that BOTH WON TWO SUPER BOWLS without Dan Marino. They knew how to win Super Bowls. Marino choked in big games. AT EVERY LEVEL.

https://johnbaranowski.wordpress.com/2024/05/09/the-seven-myths-about-dan-marino/