2025 Draft thread

[Cactus Jack]

Todd McShay was slamming the Cowboys pick (Booker)

- Worst combine out of every OL
- Non athletic
- Good 'team leader'

This guy is going to be a disaster

He was a better pick than Tyler Guyton.

Yea Guyton is the one I worry about. He’s obviously going to get another shot this year but he has to do something good this year or they need to start looking for another LT.

The biggest problem for the Cowboys is the tackles. Steele & Guyton is not a good duo. Despite what they think. They need to draft one.

[Jaydubb]

The one slot trading up doesn’t play a factor.
The eagles were going to get someone great there anyways. Even Mike Green was still available.
Same thing for the Ravens. They always get someone good.

Trading up 1 spot guarantees that they get their guy. Waiting till their pick a slot later has no guarantees.

That’s why I think the Chiefs called the Eagles and said “hey we’re getting calls for the pick, and they want Campbell. Match their offer (a 5th) and Campbell is yours”. Something along those lines. Clearly that’s speculation but that happens all the time. It could have been a bluff or they could have really been fielding calls for the pick to draft Campbell. Most people had him as a top 15 player so it’s very possible there were multiple teams trying to trade up to draft him.

Yeah and that’s all I’m trying to say, we don’t know what would’ve happened if the eagles didn’t trade up. It’s possible the chiefs were bluffing but it’s also possible their list on desirable moves at that spot went something like:

1. Trade with eagles, get a 5th, draft Simmons
2. Trade with _____, get a 3rd, but probably lose out on Simmons
3. Draft Simmons at #31 and don’t make a trade.

[Mr B]

Trading up 1 spot guarantees that they get their guy. Waiting till their pick a slot later has no guarantees.

That’s why I think the Chiefs called the Eagles and said “hey we’re getting calls for the pick, and they want Campbell. Match their offer (a 5th) and Campbell is yours”. Something along those lines. Clearly that’s speculation but that happens all the time. It could have been a bluff or they could have really been fielding calls for the pick to draft Campbell. Most people had him as a top 15 player so it’s very possible there were multiple teams trying to trade up to draft him.

Yeah and that’s all I’m trying to say, we don’t know what would’ve happened if the eagles didn’t trade up. It’s possible the chiefs were bluffing but it’s also possible their list on desirable moves at that spot went something like:

1. Trade with eagles, get a 5th, draft Simmons
2. Trade with _____, get a 3rd, but probably lose out on Simmons
3. Draft Simmons at #31 and don’t make a trade.

Yea depending on how far they traded back they could have missed out on Simmons. Who’s to say the Browns wouldn’t have taken Simmons with the 1st pick in round 2? That’s why I say it was a good trade. Chiefs get a 5th and Eagles get their guy and a great value.

[Jaydubb]

That’s why I think the Chiefs called the Eagles and said “hey we’re getting calls for the pick, and they want Campbell. Match their offer (a 5th) and Campbell is yours”. Something along those lines. Clearly that’s speculation but that happens all the time. It could have been a bluff or they could have really been fielding calls for the pick to draft Campbell. Most people had him as a top 15 player so it’s very possible there were multiple teams trying to trade up to draft him.

Yeah and that’s all I’m trying to say, we don’t know what would’ve happened if the eagles didn’t trade up. It’s possible the chiefs were bluffing but it’s also possible their list on desirable moves at that spot went something like:

1. Trade with eagles, get a 5th, draft Simmons
2. Trade with _____, get a 3rd, but probably lose out on Simmons
3. Draft Simmons at #31 and don’t make a trade.

Yea depending on how far they traded back they could have missed out on Simmons. Who’s to say the Browns wouldn’t have taken Simmons with the 1st pick in round 2? That’s why I say it was a good trade. Chiefs get a 5th and Eagles get their guy and a great value.

It’s really win/win for both teams in my opinion. Worst case scenario is if the chiefs were bluffing, but all it cost was a late 5th round pick so it’s not like it’s a total loss. Same with the Jalen Carter trade. It’s not like this happens every year either, it’s just those two times and both were great values at the spot they were drafted. 2 years later I really don’t think the eagles are thinking about that 5th round pick they traded to get Jalen Carter.lol

A perfect example of what might happen is when the eagles and cowboys made a trade so that the eagles could jump the giants one spot to draft devonta smith. That was an EXTREMELY UNLIKELY TRADE, but it still happened and it caught the giants off guard and they were very likely going devonta smith with that pick.

[Micah Prescott]

He was a better pick than Tyler Guyton.

Yea Guyton is the one I worry about. He’s obviously going to get another shot this year but he has to do something good this year or they need to start looking for another LT.

The biggest problem for the Cowboys is the tackles. Steele & Guyton is not a good duo. Despite what they think. They need to draft one.

OR....move Tyler Smith to LT where he has proven to be elite.

I mean...what am I missing?


They are probably seeing something in practice that the rest of us can't see....but we talkin bout practice....practice. NOT THE GAME....practice

[hermes]

Where does Shedeur go?

xfl?

[SkyBill40]

Where does Shedeur go?

xfl?

I doubt that. Somebody is likely to take him today. If he slips into the third round... all bets are off.

[Mariner]

Yeah and that’s all I’m trying to say, we don’t know what would’ve happened if the eagles didn’t trade up. It’s possible the chiefs were bluffing but it’s also possible their list on desirable moves at that spot went something like:

1. Trade with eagles, get a 5th, draft Simmons
2. Trade with _____, get a 3rd, but probably lose out on Simmons
3. Draft Simmons at #31 and don’t make a trade.

Yea depending on how far they traded back they could have missed out on Simmons. Who’s to say the Browns wouldn’t have taken Simmons with the 1st pick in round 2? That’s why I say it was a good trade. Chiefs get a 5th and Eagles get their guy and a great value.

It’s really win/win for both teams in my opinion. Worst case scenario is if the chiefs were bluffing, but all it cost was a late 5th round pick so it’s not like it’s a total loss. Same with the Jalen Carter trade. It’s not like this happens every year either, it’s just those two times and both were great values at the spot they were drafted. 2 years later I really don’t think the eagles are thinking about that 5th round pick they traded to get Jalen Carter.lol

A perfect example of what might happen is when the eagles and cowboys made a trade so that the eagles could jump the giants one spot to draft devonta smith. That was an EXTREMELY UNLIKELY TRADE, but it still happened and it caught the giants off guard and they were very likely going devonta smith with that pick.

Trade ups are statistically less likely. So we can’t use them as equal options.
Had the giants offered a 5th to the cowboys it would not of blocked the deal with the eagles.
Most of these deals and contingency plans are negotiated long before the draft. These deals don’t get done in 10 minutes in the war room. lol

[Mariner]

Yea Guyton is the one I worry about. He’s obviously going to get another shot this year but he has to do something good this year or they need to start looking for another LT.

The biggest problem for the Cowboys is the tackles. Steele & Guyton is not a good duo. Despite what they think. They need to draft one.

OR....move Tyler Smith to LT where he has proven to be elite.

I mean...what am I missing?


They are probably seeing something in practice that the rest of us can't see....but we talkin bout practice....practice. NOT THE GAME....practice

The cowboys will be optimistic that Guyton will improve in year two and give him another year.
Whether he does is another story. He’s not a bust. He just didn’t meet high expectations. He’s developing slower then the previous 4 Oline they took.

[Mr B]

Yea Guyton is the one I worry about. He’s obviously going to get another shot this year but he has to do something good this year or they need to start looking for another LT.

The biggest problem for the Cowboys is the tackles. Steele & Guyton is not a good duo. Despite what they think. They need to draft one.

OR....move Tyler Smith to LT where he has proven to be elite.

I mean...what am I missing?


They are probably seeing something in practice that the rest of us can't see....but we talkin bout practice....practice. NOT THE GAME....practice

Can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

[Micah Prescott]

The biggest problem for the Cowboys is the tackles. Steele & Guyton is not a good duo. Despite what they think. They need to draft one.

OR....move Tyler Smith to LT where he has proven to be elite.

I mean...what am I missing?


They are probably seeing something in practice that the rest of us can't see....but we talkin bout practice....practice. NOT THE GAME....practice

The cowboys will be optimistic that Guyton will improve in year two and give him another year.
Whether he does is another story. He’s not a bust. He just didn’t meet high expectations. He’s developing slower then the previous 4 Oline they took.

Let Guyton prove himself at RT and then put the already proven talent at LT.

I think the real issue is that we gave Steele a boat load of money and now we are stuck with him at RT.

Honestly maybe the worst contract Dallas has ever dished out. We heard all about Zeke's contract, and Dak's. But Steele's contract no outrage. It's the hidden massive blunder that no one can see.

[Mr B]

Where does Shedeur go?

xfl?

I doubt that. Somebody is likely to take him today. If he slips into the third round... all bets are off.

There are still 3 or 4 QB’s on the board that teams might prefer over Shedeur.

Jalen Milroe
Tyler Shough
Will Howard
Quinn Ewers

[Jaydubb]

Yea depending on how far they traded back they could have missed out on Simmons. Who’s to say the Browns wouldn’t have taken Simmons with the 1st pick in round 2? That’s why I say it was a good trade. Chiefs get a 5th and Eagles get their guy and a great value.

It’s really win/win for both teams in my opinion. Worst case scenario is if the chiefs were bluffing, but all it cost was a late 5th round pick so it’s not like it’s a total loss. Same with the Jalen Carter trade. It’s not like this happens every year either, it’s just those two times and both were great values at the spot they were drafted. 2 years later I really don’t think the eagles are thinking about that 5th round pick they traded to get Jalen Carter.lol

A perfect example of what might happen is when the eagles and cowboys made a trade so that the eagles could jump the giants one spot to draft devonta smith. That was an EXTREMELY UNLIKELY TRADE, but it still happened and it caught the giants off guard and they were very likely going devonta smith with that pick.

Trade ups are statistically less likely. So we can’t use them as equal options.
Had the giants offered a 5th to the cowboys it would not of blocked the deal with the eagles.
Most of these deals and contingency plans are negotiated long before the draft. These deals don’t get done in 10 minutes in the war room. lol

I know trades are talked about well before the draft happens but that doesn’t mean new trades aren’t formulated during the draft process..lol

We are just gonna have to agree to disagree. I’d never fault a team for going up to get a guy that a lot of teams believe to be a premium player in that particular draft, even if it’s to move up one spot because frankly anything can happen.

[Jaydubb]

Where does Shedeur go?

xfl?

Ohhhh man.. **** it, I want this more than if he was drafted by the cowboys.lolll

[Jaydubb]

The biggest problem for the Cowboys is the tackles. Steele & Guyton is not a good duo. Despite what they think. They need to draft one.

OR....move Tyler Smith to LT where he has proven to be elite.

I mean...what am I missing?


They are probably seeing something in practice that the rest of us can't see....but we talkin bout practice....practice. NOT THE GAME....practice

Can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

Didn’t Jerry literally say a few weeks ago that he would vote to ban it?

[Mr B]

OR....move Tyler Smith to LT where he has proven to be elite.

I mean...what am I missing?


They are probably seeing something in practice that the rest of us can't see....but we talkin bout practice....practice. NOT THE GAME....practice

Can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

Didn’t Jerry literally say a few weeks ago that he would vote to ban it?

It’s not going to be banned as long as no one is getting injured, which they’re not. Just embrace it and draft accordingly.

[Jaydubb]

Can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

Didn’t Jerry literally say a few weeks ago that he would vote to ban it?

It’s not going to be banned as long as no one is getting injured, which they’re not. Just embrace it and draft accordingly.

But if that’s a true statement from Jerry jones (maybe it’s not I don’t know)it sounds like he’s admitting that having very good OL is what makes the play work.

So why would he vote to ban it if he knows the eagles are just good at it because their OL is insanely talented?

[bluejerseyjinx]

After thinking about it all night, I really can't find anything bad to say about it. I like it. I wanted picks to be O-line and DT. So I'm happy with it.

[Jaydubb]

After thinking about it all night, I really can't find anything bad to say about it. I like it. I wanted picks to be O-line and DT. So I'm happy with it.

BUILD THE TRENCHES AND THEY WILL CUM

I think that’s a direct quote from some movie or something

[Mr B]

Didn’t Jerry literally say a few weeks ago that he would vote to ban it?

It’s not going to be banned as long as no one is getting injured, which they’re not. Just embrace it and draft accordingly.

But if that’s a true statement from Jerry jones (maybe it’s not I don’t know)it sounds like he’s admitting that having very good OL is what makes the play work.

So why would he vote to ban it if he knows the eagles are just good at it because their OL is insanely talented?

You just answered your own question. Because the eagles are insanely good at it because of their OL.