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What is wrong with Peyton Manning? Is is bc of all the injuries or is it just something else? Any thoughts guys?

He dosent have all world talent around him, like he has for most of his career that made him look better than he is. I guess he cant turn **** to gold like apologists like to claim. Its funny though, the growing trend. He gets all the credit when he wins, but when he litterally is throwing games away its not his fault. Its because he has no talent around him..

Piere Garcon has regressed this season. Austin Collie, who Peyton loves, is hurt. Gonzalez can't stay healthy. The offensive line is not protecting Manning.

Manning also has that bum right elbow. This slump that he is in has nothing to do with him "slowing down."

Elway=GOAT wrote:He dosent have all world talent around him, like he has for most of his career that made him look better than he is. I guess he cant turn **** to gold like apologists like to claim. Its funny though, the growing trend. He gets all the credit when he wins, but when he litterally is throwing games away its not his fault. Its because he has no talent around him..

you mean the all-world talent he has had in the last few years?
The likes of Joseph Addai
The all world o-line
and ofcourse a declining harrison, garcon and collie. He does have Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne (who in the last 3 years would you really say was top 5 in there positions?).

He has been playing bad I dont deny that, but he has just been declining.
For what he has done, I give him a pass and see how he does next year.

Ong_dynasty wrote:

Elway=GOAT wrote:He dosent have all world talent around him, like he has for most of his career that made him look better than he is. I guess he cant turn **** to gold like apologists like to claim. Its funny though, the growing trend. He gets all the credit when he wins, but when he litterally is throwing games away its not his fault. Its because he has no talent around him..

you mean the all-world talent he has had in the last few years?
The likes of Joseph Addai
The all world o-line
and ofcourse a declining harrison, garcon and collie. He does have Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne (who in the last 3 years would you really say was top 5 in there positions?).

He has been playing bad I dont deny that, but he has just been declining.
For what he has done, I give him a pass and see how he does next year.

Well let's hope that he doesn't decide to play to 41 like Favre.

I could see Manning right now ... old, fragile, and in a Titans uniform.

I know, as a Colts fan I don't what his problem is. I mean I know we have injurys but he has been throwing numerous interceptions these past few weeks. Its like his rookie year all over again.

His problems are really simple actually. There isnt one big thing, but a collection of smaller ones.

- It all starts with the running game, or lack there of. Defenses know they can stop the Colts without putting a bunch of guys in the box, so they are in coverage.
- The o-line is injured/awful and is giving Peyton no time to throw like they have in years past
- With the injuries in the receiving core Peyton is not getting the time in practice to get his timing right with the receivers and many are just flat out new to him, so the whole offense is off
- To build on the point above Peyton has always known when his receivers will come out of breaks/where the route is going. Now he isnt exactly sure with the items said above to he is staring his wr's down and getting picked, alot
- Addai is great at receiving and has missed the last 6 games, the Colts were playing their #4 RB yesterday. He doesnt have a go to short yardage guy Clark/Addai so he is forcing the ball when he would normally dump it off
- Manning has more pressure on him than any 1 player in the league and has just made some poor decisions the last few weeks.

The injuries and lack of running game are contributing greatly to his poor play the last 3 weeks, but it comes down to him to make plays. People are quickly forgetting Manning was the MVP favorite 3 games ago. Everyone goes through rough stretches, even the greatest QB in the game. I can hear peoples ankles breaking here in Indy as they jump off the bandwagon.

Half of his freaking offense is gone. Also I like how someone insinuated that he's only good because of the players around him. Give me a break. He's the freaking cog that has made the system work. Everyone is allowed some rough patches and even he is showing that it is possible for possibly the greatest QB ever to play like trash.

Bleeding Blue wrote:His problems are really simple actually. There isnt one big thing, but a collection of smaller ones.

- It all starts with the running game, or lack there of. Defenses know they can stop the Colts without putting a bunch of guys in the box, so they are in coverage.
- The o-line is injured/awful and is giving Peyton no time to throw like they have in years past
- With the injuries in the receiving core Peyton is not getting the time in practice to get his timing right with the receivers and many are just flat out new to him, so the whole offense is off
- To build on the point above Peyton has always known when his receivers will come out of breaks/where the route is going. Now he isnt exactly sure with the items said above to he is staring his wr's down and getting picked, alot
- Addai is great at receiving and has missed the last 6 games, the Colts were playing their #4 RB yesterday. He doesnt have a go to short yardage guy Clark/Addai so he is forcing the ball when he would normally dump it off
- Manning has more pressure on him than any 1 player in the league and has just made some poor decisions the last few weeks.

The injuries and lack of running game are contributing greatly to his poor play the last 3 weeks, but it comes down to him to make plays. People are quickly forgetting Manning was the MVP favorite 3 games ago. Everyone goes through rough stretches, even the greatest QB in the game. I can hear peoples ankles breaking here in Indy as they jump off the bandwagon.

I don't agree with the bolded parts, mainly because this has been happening in the last few seasons, why is it an excuse now?

The Colts hasn't had a DECENT running game for years.

The Colts in recent years have been getting receivers out of nowhere (low draft picks or sometimes UFA like Garcon and Collie and even White this year) and Manning has turned them into valuable weapons. Although I will say that Garcon has regressed heavily this year and Collie's out.

Manning has always had pressure on him, he's been the media darling for years now, you can't use that as an excuse.

I think the main problem is the O-line, usually Peyton can get rid of the ball in a second due to his reads, audibles and his amazingly quick release, but this season, his line isn't even giving a second to drop back for a quick slant at times, seems like the O-line doesn't have cohesion. They need to shore up that line, especially since recent draft picks (Ugoh) hasn't really panned out. I would say injuries has hurt him (Collie and Dallas Clark) but the replacement (White and Tamme) for those guys have actually done really well under Peyton. Obviously, some of the blame has to go on Peyton as well, in the recent games he seems to be rushing the plays a bit and wants to get it in Wayne's hands ASAP, that's where the bad reads comes in, as sometimes he just seems to force it to Wayne more often than not.

^^^ I am not making excuses, I am making points, there is a difference. I wouldnt say the running game has been decent in quite a while, but the Colts have overcome it with good pass blocking, which isnt there this year.
- Manning has also thrown more passes this year than any other year in his career so more int's are going to happen. (Not the # he has in recent weeks) He is on pace to set the NFL record for attempts, EVERYONE knows he is gonna throw so they are in coverage.
- He will bounce back this week and lead the Colts to a W, I am very confident in that.

Bleeding Blue wrote:^^^ I am not making excuses, I am making points, there is a difference. I wouldnt say the running game has been decent in quite a while, but the Colts have overcome it with good pass blocking, which isnt there this year.
- Manning has also thrown more passes this year than any other year in his career so more int's are going to happen. (Not the # he has in recent weeks) He is on pace to set the NFL record for attempts, EVERYONE knows he is gonna throw so they are in coverage.
- He will bounce back this week and lead the Colts to a W, I am very confident in that.

I'm not saying you're using it as an excuse, my point is, is that the running game was never there, sothat point was sort of invalid. Although I agree in terms of pass protecting, the Colts O-line has never been great in recent years but they were good enough to give Manning a quality pocket (by his standards since his release is so quick). This year, they have terribly regressed, that whole unit needs a revamp next year and that much is obvious.

IMO, the loss of Addai has hurt the Colts more than any other injuries/regression this year. Addai has always been a good blocking RB as well as a terrific RB coming out of the backfield, that one less weapon literally forces the opposition to just drop back as they know they only have to play double coverage on Wayne (which is largely ineffective as proven) and have the other guys pretty much concentrate on Manning.

Fair point about the throwing attempts, but in all fairness every team he plays against for years now always expects him to throw, fair enough his doing it at a higher rate this season, but you again, it's not new to see Manning have so many pass attempts per game, it's the Colts gameplan, it's what has worked for them for years dating back to when Edge left.

I am confident too, like they say, form is temporary, class is permanent. I fully expect him to abuse the already beleaguered Titans.

treiz wrote:IMO, the loss of Addai has hurt the Colts more than any other injuries/regression this year. Addai has always been a good blocking RB as well as a terrific RB coming out of the backfield, that one less weapon literally forces the opposition to just drop back as they know they only have to play double coverage on Wayne (which is largely ineffective as proven) and have the other guys pretty much concentrate on Manning.

I couldnt agree more about this point. I live in Indy and all you ever hear is "Addai sucks" People dont realize outside of Peyton he is the most important person on the Colts offense. There is a serious dropoff from him to Brown (who I have never thought was worth anything). I LOVE that we brought back Rhodes, he will bring a spark that is much needed. I expect to see him returning kicks with Powers now out for the year, so Tryon will be a starting corner now w/Hayden out as well.

treiz wrote:Although I agree in terms of pass protecting, the Colts O-line has never been great in recent years but they were good enough to give Manning a quality pocket (by his standards since his release is so quick). This year, they have terribly regressed, that whole unit needs a revamp next year and that much is obvious.

I disagree. In terms of pass protection they have been very good for quite a while. Here is how they ranked in sacks allowed in recent years:

2003: T-2nd
2004: T-1st
2005: 1st
2006: 1st
2007: 7th
2008: 4th
2009: 1st
2010: 2nd

I do agree, they have regressed a ton and a overhaul is needed.

Elway=GOAT wrote:He dosent have all world talent around him, like he has for most of his career that made him look better than he is. I guess he cant turn **** to gold like apologists like to claim. Its funny though, the growing trend. He gets all the credit when he wins, but when he litterally is throwing games away its not his fault. Its because he has no talent around him..

Lol, you've been waiting like 13 years for this moment huh? hahaha

Anyway, he had mediocre talent last year too. PoS runners, one great receiver, one really good but overvalued TE, and a garbage line, and he had 14 wins, an MVP, and a superbowl appearance.

Brees was playing like garbage this season too, **** happens mang.

As "bad" as Manning has been, with garbage talent around him, he's still going to end the season with way more TD's, yards, and a way better completion % than Elway could muster in his very best seasons that he gets slobbed on for.

It's not like he's fallen off the pedestal and into the trash can. He's still one of the best QBs in the game and is still probably the most feared offensive talent in the league by opposing defensive coordinators. He's just lost the small edge that made him definitively better at running an offense during a regular season game, something I would strongly argue he's done better than anyone in NFL history.

I think last night in the TEN game we saw him miss the mark on some throws that would have been unthinkable for him to miss even a year ago. His receivers are working harder. That's irregardless of the running game or blocking up front--he's just not as accurate with his delivery as we've become used to.

I still think he's setting everyone up for a monster "comeback" season next year once everyone is healthy and they fix some of their OL issues.

can many of you finally get off the MANNING BANDWAGON, and ultimately realize that JOHN ELWAY is thee greatest QB in the history of the game? lets all finally put it to rest, peyton manning is an excellent QB in this league. but nowhere near the alltime greatness of a guy like elway.

Manning is equal to Brady, right? Brady has had to deal with similar injury situations this year. Except he's putting up MVP #s. Right now they are also with RB#4 and a RB who was on another team's practice squad in Week 1. He lost Randy Moss... Welker, while solid right now is still progressing from the injury and Julian Edelman has regressed. You could point out his two new TEs but they are rookie's for god's sake.

Not trying to start the whole Brady/Manning debate. I believe they are both 1a and 1b, but there has to be other reasons than the talent around Manning and injuries for the drop-off in production this year.

Dirty Water wrote:Manning is equal to Brady, right? Brady has had to deal with similar injury situations this year. Except he's putting up MVP #s. Right now they are also with RB#4 and a RB who was on another team's practice squad in Week 1. He lost Randy Moss... Welker, while solid right now is still progressing from the injury and Julian Edelman has regressed. You could point out his two new TEs but they are rookie's for god's sake.

Not trying to start the whole Brady/Manning debate. I believe they are both 1a and 1b, but there has to be other reasons than the talent around Manning and injuries for the drop-off in production this year.

I wouldnt say there has been a drop off in production. Just 3 games were he threw a ton of picks, 4 of which were returned for td's. His numbers as far as td's, yards, and completions are still good. Why is everyone forgetting before the rough 3 game stretch he was the leader to get another MVP?

You can't pick and choose which games to take production from. There has to be consistency. I couldn't tell you last time Brady threw a pick-six (not this season) let alone throwing four in 2 weeks. I'm not trying to knock on Manning tho...

I was listening to Bill Simmons podcast this week and he thinks there is a significant Manning injury that he's playing through. Make s a a little sense I guess. Something is wrong, and maybe we'll find out at the end of the season.

I wasnt trying to say dont count those three games, but as far as pure production he still has very good yards, td's, and completions. I havent heard anything about him being injured, but I do know he has been fighting a neck problem for years that he had surgery on in the offseason.

treiz wrote:Although I agree in terms of pass protecting, the Colts O-line has never been great in recent years but they were good enough to give Manning a quality pocket (by his standards since his release is so quick). This year, they have terribly regressed, that whole unit needs a revamp next year and that much is obvious.

I disagree. In terms of pass protection they have been very good for quite a while. Here is how they ranked in sacks allowed in recent years:

2003: T-2nd
2004: T-1st
2005: 1st
2006: 1st
2007: 7th
2008: 4th
2009: 1st
2010: 2nd

I do agree, they have regressed a ton and a overhaul is needed.[/quote]

I think that's more Manning than the actual O-line play, I'm not saying they're terrible, but Manning's tendency and reads to get the ball out of his hands is one of the reasons why he's one of the best QBs ever, he can read whether he needs to get the ball out of his hands quickly or whether he has time, this has always been one of his best assets.