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This is why the NFL is better than the NBA; Goddell believes in his product, Stern does not.

There is also a 7-9 team as a division winner. Gross.

vincecarter4pres wrote:There is also a 7-9 team as a division winner. Gross.

Kind of like how sub-.500 teams make the playoffs every year in the East?

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J Smitty wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:There is also a 7-9 team as a division winner. Gross.

Kind of like how sub-.500 teams make the playoffs every year in the East?

Not really they dont win divisions.

vincecarter4pres wrote:There is also a 7-9 team as a division winner. Gross.

damn first time in NFL history, IBL

**** my fins finished 7-9 after losing to lions, browns, pats badly... imagine if they were in the playoffs? Not deserving...

Goddell is a terrible commissioner

You do know that RealGM has a football forum, right?

Prince12 wrote:

J Smitty wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:There is also a 7-9 team as a division winner. Gross.

Kind of like how sub-.500 teams make the playoffs every year in the East?

Not really they dont win divisions.

Well if NBA divisions were only 4 teams, the 14-18 Pacers could be leading theirs, at the moment. Even as is, they'd be the 7th seed if the season ended today.


That's just what happens when you make a bunch of crappy teams play each other a lot. They get wins against each other, but can't beat anyone else.

It's definitely no worse than the 37-45 Hawks making the playoffs in 08, while the 48-34 Warriors missed them...just because of the setup.

Even MLB has more parity.

Only 16 games it's easy for there to be parity.

Pretty sure 16 games into the NBA season there were some surprises too

Lebron James impact>>> anyone in the the NFL or NBA.

At the moment they could be IF there were 4 team divisions. What is the worst record in NBA history for a division winning team?

Back in 03-04 the Nets won the Atlantic (when there were only two divisions per conference) with a 47-35 record. Boston won the Atlantic the next year (when it changed to three divisions per conference) with a 45-37 record. Denver won the Northwest the next year with a 44-38 record. Miami the next year with a 44-38 record.

No doubt that the NFC West is awful and there need to be changes to the NFL playoffs, starting with home field being based on record and not winning the division, but let's not act like the NBA always has good teams winning their divisions. This is the first time a team under .500 has made the playoffs in the NFL.

It was only in 2003-2004 that the 36-46 Celtics were the 8th seed. The Bucks were 40-42 when they made it in 2005-2006 and the Bulls and Pacers were .500. The next year the Magic were 40-42 and made it and the Nets and Wizards were .500. The year after that the Hawks went to the playoffs with a 37-45 record, the Sixers made it with a 40-42 record and the Raptors 41-41. Detroit made it the next year with 39 wins while the Bulls made it with a .500 record.

Just look back to the 2002 season in the NFL. Every playoff team had at least 9 wins. The Jets were the division winner at 9-7. The Patriots and Dolphins, also in the same division finished 9-7 too and the Bills were 8-8. Not really a crappy division, just very evenly matched.

Next year, every playoff team had at least 10 wins. Next year, two teams in the NFC (Vikings and Rams) had .500 records and got in as wildcards.

Worst team the next year was the Patriots who still had 10 wins.

Year after that the Cowboys and Giants got in with 9 and 8 wins respectively as wildcards.

The next year the Redskins got a wildcard with 9 wins and the Bucs won their division with 9.

Next year the Chargers won their division with 8.

Last year a couple of 9 win AFC teams got wildcards.

What happened this year is most likely an aberration. Just a bunch of events made this happen Warner's retirement pretty much doomed the Cards, Singletary is a terrible coach, the Seahawks lacked talent and the Rams were awful the year before getting a rookie QB who is good enough to bring them back towards the middle.

The thing that absolutely needs to happen is getting rid of homefield for division winners. There wouldn't be as big of a problem if the Seahawks had to travel to New Orleans.

vincecarter4pres wrote:There is also a 7-9 team as a division winner. Gross.

Who also have a home final because they finished atop of the extremely weak division meaning a wildcard winner and previous years champions in the Saints which had 4 mores have to travel in the first week of the finals.

trwi7 wrote:The thing that absolutely needs to happen is getting rid of homefield for division winners. There wouldn't be as big of a problem if the Seahawks had to travel to New Orleans.

Agreed. This year really proves how silly the divisional home field rule is. Literally all 4 1st round games are in the wrong stadium. Jets, Ravens, Saints have outright better records than their opponents, and Green Bay has the same record as Philly and beat them head to head. That's crazy.

It'd also make Week 17 way better if home field went by record. Chicago, New Orleans, Philadelphia, the Jets games would've all been hugely important for them, and the Baltimore and Indy games wouldn't have lost their importance halfway through.