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Posted: **Thu Jun 9, 2016 8:16 pm**

Over the last ten to fifteen years, the mainstream media has created the narrative that a good quarterback can cover up most of the flaws within a football team when it is actually not the case. This is because quarterbacks rely upon the entire offensive unit in order to successfully complete their job of winning football games. For instance, a quarterback needs an offensive line who is strong and quick enough to hold their blocks which gives the quarterback ample time to set their feet in the pocket and go thru their reads to make a good throw. Once the offensive line has shown that they are capable of protecting the quarterback, the offensive coordinator and quarterback need to feature a steady diet of the running game in order to make the opposing team put more players in the box or freeze for a couple seconds after the ball is snapped. Which gives the quarterback more open space on the field to lead his receivers to the ball which would have increased the likelihood of the pass being completed. After they have successfully integrated the running game into the offense, the quarterback must rely on the wide receivers to catch the ball which enables the offense to keep the drive going.

However, if one aspect of the offensive unit isn't able to successfully do their job that means that the quarterback will not be able to do his job. For instance, if the offensive line isn’t strong and/or quick enough to hold their blocks. As a result of this, the quarterback will not have enough time to sit in the pocket and go thru his reads to make a good throw. Which will result in him getting sacked or throwing the football before he wants which leads to an incompletion or interception. A perfect example of this was Matthew Stafford in 2015 as the Lions offensive line was not been able to hold their blocks for enough time so that Stafford had time to make proper reads and a good throw to the wide receiver. As a result, Stafford was constantly feeling pressure from opposing defensive lines, which caused him to throw the ball up in the air before he wanted to because he wanted to give his wide receivers an opportunity to go up and make a play. Even though that was his thought process there were some plays where he didn't get a chance to do that because the wide receivers weren't able to give him the small window to throw the ball or he felt immediate pressure from the opposing team which resulted in him getting sacked 2.8 times per game according to team rankings. The only time Stafford has a clean pocket was when the receivers are running crossing routes and slants where he can get rid of the ball quickly.

As a result, it is unfair for the mainstream media to give all the credit and/or blame on the quarterback for the team performance considering the fact that they are the second most dependent position on offense behind wide receivers. Due to this, it is also unwise for front offices to give quarterbacks big contracts because it puts organizations in a position where they may not be able to get the quarterback all the help he needs due to financial restrictions. Which hurts the quarterbacks’ ability to successfully do his job of winning football games.

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Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:59 am**

I'm not buying this until we've heard the arguments from "star WR". I'll make my case using Julio Jones as an example. In 2011, Atlanta decided they were an impact WR away from going to the Super Bowl. They traded their current #1 pick, another future 1 and I believe a 3 and 4 to be in position to draft Jones. In the five years previous, they won 44 games. Those five years included the nightmare season under Bobby Petrino with Joey Harrington as the leading passer. Another year was led by historically overrated Michael Vick. In the five years since throwing away four draft choices for Jones, the Falcons have won 41 games. This is with stable QBing and a team hypothetically built to "win now". I would never, ever, ever use a top 10-15 pick on a WR. I would never trade away multiple picks on a WR. I wouldn't give up anything more than cash to attract a top tier receiver. Yet, teams around the league still romanticize the idea of "taking the top off the defense" or "adding a big play dimension" to the offense. My Ravens and the most successful franchise in recent history are perfect examples of why the WR is so severly overvalued. Between our 2 and NE's 4 Super Bowls, the only WR one would consider to be elite is Anquan Boldin and Baltimore spent a modest 3rd and 4th round pick.
In my life, I've seen Marino and Elway make garbage teams into Super Bowl (sort of) contenders. I've seen Manning leave the Colts and have them go from playoff team to first overall pick. I've seen the stability of more humble talents like Andy Dalton at least get his team to a postseason year after year. If you traded their QB situation with a team like Houston or Cleveland or Buffalo, that isn't going to happen.

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:37 pm**

the qb position so overrated that you need a historically dominant supporting cast to compete without a high level player under center

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:11 am**

As a long suffering Cowboy fan now for 17 years, I'd give anything to have another Roger Staubach for 8 years regardless of the O-line or WR status.

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:56 pm**

bluejerseyjinx wrote:As a long suffering Cowboy fan now for 17 years, I'd give anything to have another Roger Staubach for 8 years regardless of the O-line or WR status.

You realize that since Aikman retired, Tony Romo has been the least of your worries, except on occasion when he's hurt, right?

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:16 pm**

But he gets blamed for most of the losses because we are playing behind all the time, thanks to our revolving door of salary cap hell, over priced thugs and rejects from other teams that hardly ever work out. #2, because we have had no defense or commitment towards defense, for I don't know how many years now. I've stopped counting because its too embarrassing. Sorry, I grew up being spoiled in the 20 years we never had a losing record. We always used to build our teams through the draft, not free agency. Like What Seattle and Green Bay have done the last 8 or 9 years or so.

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:53 pm**

bluejerseyjinx wrote:But he gets blamed for most of the losses because we are playing behind all the time, thanks to our revolving door of salary cap hell, over priced thugs and rejects from other teams that hardly ever work out. #2, because we have had no defense or commitment towards defense, for I don't know how many years now. I've stopped counting because its too embarrassing. Sorry, I grew up being spoiled in the 20 years we never had a losing record. We always used to build our teams through the draft, not free agency. Like What Seattle and Green Bay have done the last 8 or 9 years or so.

And that, my friend, is nothing Roger Staubach would be able to fix, unless he has some crafty GM skills we don't know about.

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:58 pm**

Your talking about the curse and cancer of Jerry Jones. Great Gm isn't he? Plus Jerry would have never drafted and all American kid from the naval academy. He likes thugs, thieves and domestic abusers instead. Jerry doesn't deserve a great person like a Roger Staubach anyways.

Posted: **Sat Jul 9, 2016 2:41 am**

bluejerseyjinx wrote:As a long suffering Cowboy fan now for 17 years, I'd give anything to have another Roger Staubach for 8 years regardless of the O-line or WR status.

making the playoffs 9 years out of the last 20 doesnt qualify as suffering.

thats really big teasing

Posted: **Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:49 pm**

No, I grew up a Cowboy fan only missing the playoffs once in 20 years. I guess when your America's team the expectations are much higher. I guess you guys wouldn't know that being in L.A., L.A., land. Hell you guys can't even maintain an NFL team. Lets see now that you have your Rams back if you can hold on to it this time. How many Super Bowls and Championships have the Rams won in Los Angeles despite the many years you had them? Just saying and asking, lol.

Posted: **Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:54 pm**

When you have an owner and Gm like the cancer Jerry Jones is, it doesn't take many years to know you will never get back to the promised land as long as that loser owns the Cowboys. Wow, 9 playoffs appearances in 20 years and all of them were one and done. And it is suffering for us older Cowboy fans because unlike the Rams, we know what it is like to be on top year and year for a couple decades. And I'm not teasing.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:59 am**

bluejerseyjinx wrote:When you have an owner and Gm like the cancer Jerry Jones is, it doesn't take many years to know you will never get back to the promised land as long as that loser owns the Cowboys. Wow, 9 playoffs appearances in 20 years and all of them were one and done. And it is suffering for us older Cowboy fans because unlike the Rams, we know what it is like to be on top year and year for a couple decades. And I'm not teasing.

the Cowboys keep making the playoffs. Theres no tragedy there.
The Rams won a SB and appeared in another one more recently then the Cowboys last one.

neither team is suffering.
Jones hasnt done anything wrong. Teams with dynasties tend to drop off for a while...but dallas keeps making playoffs so there hasnt been a problem.

The Rams are like an original 6 NFL team and had plenty of success. 11 years with no playoffs is a drop in the bucket of time/space/sports history.

Dallas-5 NFL Championships, 10 Conference Championships, 22 Divisional Championships
Rams-
15 Division Titles,6 Conference Titles,3 NFL Titles & Super Bowl XXXIV win

Dallas has had 2 dynasties. If they dont win another for 50 years they really have nothing to complain about.

and no, Championships didnt only start counting in the super bowl era.
the Championships before that were the super bowl before it was called a super bowl.

as far as topic title...QB is the most important position and can never be over valued.

..and I like Jay Cutler and Trent Dilfer and politely say- screw you if you dont :lol:

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:34 am**

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:When you have an owner and Gm like the cancer Jerry Jones is, it doesn't take many years to know you will never get back to the promised land as long as that loser owns the Cowboys. Wow, 9 playoffs appearances in 20 years and all of them were one and done. And it is suffering for us older Cowboy fans because unlike the Rams, we know what it is like to be on top year and year for a couple decades. And I'm not teasing.

the Cowboys keep making the playoffs. Theres no tragedy there.
The Rams won a SB and appeared in another one more recently then the Cowboys last one.

neither team is suffering.
Jones hasnt done anything wrong. Teams with dynasties tend to drop off for a while...but dallas keeps making playoffs so there hasnt been a problem.

The Rams are like an original 6 NFL team and had plenty of success. 11 years with no playoffs is a drop in the bucket of time/space/sports history.

Dallas-5 NFL Championships, 10 Conference Championships, 22 Divisional Championships
Rams-
15 Division Titles,6 Conference Titles,3 NFL Titles & Super Bowl XXXIV win

Dallas has had 2 dynasties. If they dont win another for 50 years they really have nothing to complain about.

and no, Championships didnt only start counting in the super bowl era.
the Championships before that were the super bowl before it was called a super bowl.

as far as topic title...QB is the most important position and can never be over valued.

..and I like Jay Cutler and Trent Dilfer and politely say- screw you if you dont

First of all little boy, I don't need your history lesson. Especially when so much of it is untrue. I guess we get our facts from different resources. First of all, we have only 2 playoff wins since 1996 after our last Super Bowl. that is totally unacceptable when you are the most popular franchise in the world and the 2nd most valuable. #2, Can you please tell me where I am wrong. I've been a total football junkie since 1969. I have never seen, witnessed or read about any Super Bowl victory or Lombardi trophy that came to the LOS ANGELES RAMS. I believe when the Rams won their only Super bowl, It was In St. Louis. 11 years is a drop in the bucket, wow. With that type of support and thinking is probably one of the reasons s why you lost your football team to St. Louis in the first place. And we had 3 dynasties, not 2. Do your homework before getting into a pissing match with me sweetheart.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:42 am**

Your lucky its offseason and its quiet. I can think of at least 25 other Cowboy fans that I post with that would love to severely debate you on the fact that cancer Jerry Jones hasn't done anything wrong. You need to pay attention a bit more. A lot of us think Jerry recruits too many players from the methadone clinic. Take a look at all the players lately on suspension lately and past recent seasons. We have a revolving door of druggies, women beaters, punks, thugs and underwear thieves. How many times has Randall been arrested since we got rid of him last year. No, Jerry hasn't done anything wrong. how did YOU feel when he brought Hardy in last season? I can't post in here how I truly felt unless I want to get banned from this forum. I don't feel like typing another 3 pages on the failures of cancer, Jerry Jones.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:36 am**

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:When you have an owner and Gm like the cancer Jerry Jones is, it doesn't take many years to know you will never get back to the promised land as long as that loser owns the Cowboys. Wow, 9 playoffs appearances in 20 years and all of them were one and done. And it is suffering for us older Cowboy fans because unlike the Rams, we know what it is like to be on top year and year for a couple decades. And I'm not teasing.

the Cowboys keep making the playoffs. Theres no tragedy there.
The Rams won a SB and appeared in another one more recently then the Cowboys last one.

neither team is suffering.
Jones hasnt done anything wrong. Teams with dynasties tend to drop off for a while...but dallas keeps making playoffs so there hasnt been a problem.

The Rams are like an original 6 NFL team and had plenty of success. 11 years with no playoffs is a drop in the bucket of time/space/sports history.

Dallas-5 NFL Championships, 10 Conference Championships, 22 Divisional Championships
Rams-
15 Division Titles,6 Conference Titles,3 NFL Titles & Super Bowl XXXIV win

Dallas has had 2 dynasties. If they dont win another for 50 years they really have nothing to complain about.

and no, Championships didnt only start counting in the super bowl era.
the Championships before that were the super bowl before it was called a super bowl.

as far as topic title...QB is the most important position and can never be over valued.

..and I like Jay Cutler and Trent Dilfer and politely say- screw you if you dont

First of all little boy, I don't need your history lesson. Especially when so much of it is untrue. I guess we get our facts from different resources. First of all, we have only 2 playoff wins since 1996 after our last Super Bowl. that is totally unacceptable when you are the most popular franchise in the world and the 2nd most valuable. #2, Can you please tell me where I am wrong. I've been a total football junkie since 1969. I have never seen, witnessed or read about any Super Bowl victory or Lombardi trophy that came to the LOS ANGELES RAMS. I believe when the Rams won their only Super bowl, It was In St. Louis. 11 years is a drop in the bucket, wow. With that type of support and thinking is probably one of the reasons s why you lost your football team to St. Louis in the first place. And we had 3 dynasties, not 2. Do your homework before getting into a pissing match with me sweetheart.

I said they made the playoffs repeatedly which they have. As long,as you are taking spots from teams that don't get there, you are succeeding.
The Rams have been the same franchise since Cleveland. They aren't like the Browns becoming the Ravens.
Both teams are historically incredibly successful
Why are you making a little boy comment?
Where did I Insult you?
As a matter of fact, my post was positive and historically factual while you are being some sort of negative ninny.
You look at it like an emotional fan and think the Cowboys are doing poorly. They are a business that constantly gets in the playoffs and the league and the owner are happy with that bottom line.

As I said , you have some sort of dynasty or repeated SB appearance like the Cowboys have H ad. You can pretty much expect nothing great for 20 to 50 years. That's just how it works.

Bad news for Patriots fans lol the fast slide down is coming and lasting for years.

Have a wonderful summer day!

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:44 am**

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Your lucky its offseason and its quiet. I can think of at least 25 other Cowboy fans that I post with that would love to severely debate you on the fact that cancer Jerry Jones hasn't done anything wrong. You need to pay attention a bit more. A lot of us think Jerry recruits too many players from the methadone clinic. Take a look at all the players lately on suspension lately and past recent seasons. We have a revolving door of druggies, women beaters, punks, thugs and underwear thieves. How many times has Randall been arrested since we got rid of him last year. No, Jerry hasn't done anything wrong. how did YOU feel when he brought Hardy in last season? I can't post in here how I truly felt unless I want to get banned from this forum. I don't feel like typing another 3 pages on the failures of cancer, Jerry Jones.

And yet they keep making the playoffs.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:42 pm**

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
the Cowboys keep making the playoffs. Theres no tragedy there.
The Rams won a SB and appeared in another one more recently then the Cowboys last one.

neither team is suffering.
Jones hasnt done anything wrong. Teams with dynasties tend to drop off for a while...but dallas keeps making playoffs so there hasnt been a problem.

The Rams are like an original 6 NFL team and had plenty of success. 11 years with no playoffs is a drop in the bucket of time/space/sports history.

Dallas-5 NFL Championships, 10 Conference Championships, 22 Divisional Championships
Rams-
15 Division Titles,6 Conference Titles,3 NFL Titles & Super Bowl XXXIV win

Dallas has had 2 dynasties. If they dont win another for 50 years they really have nothing to complain about.

and no, Championships didnt only start counting in the super bowl era.
the Championships before that were the super bowl before it was called a super bowl.

as far as topic title...QB is the most important position and can never be over valued.

..and I like Jay Cutler and Trent Dilfer and politely say- screw you if you dont

First of all little boy, I don't need your history lesson. Especially when so much of it is untrue. I guess we get our facts from different resources. First of all, we have only 2 playoff wins since 1996 after our last Super Bowl. that is totally unacceptable when you are the most popular franchise in the world and the 2nd most valuable. #2, Can you please tell me where I am wrong. I've been a total football junkie since 1969. I have never seen, witnessed or read about any Super Bowl victory or Lombardi trophy that came to the LOS ANGELES RAMS. I believe when the Rams won their only Super bowl, It was In St. Louis. 11 years is a drop in the bucket, wow. With that type of support and thinking is probably one of the reasons s why you lost your football team to St. Louis in the first place. And we had 3 dynasties, not 2. Do your homework before getting into a pissing match with me sweetheart.

I said they made the playoffs repeatedly which they have. As long,as you are taking spots from teams that don't get there, you are succeeding.
The Rams have been the same franchise since Cleveland. They aren't like the Browns becoming the Ravens.
Both teams are historically incredibly successful
Why are you making a little boy comment?
Where did I Insult you?
As a matter of fact, my post was positive and historically factual while you are being some sort of negative ninny.
You look at it like an emotional fan and think the Cowboys are doing poorly. They are a business that constantly gets in the playoffs and the league and the owner are happy with that bottom line.

As I said , you have some sort of dynasty or repeated SB appearance like the Cowboys have H ad. You can pretty much expect nothing great for 20 to 50 years. That's just how it works.

Bad news for Patriots fans lol the fast slide down is coming and lasting for years.

Have a wonderful summer day!

You weren't factually correct on a couple items. You didn't insult me, just offended me a bit. So your saying in the last 17 years we Cowboys fans should be happy with 9 playoff appearances, 7 of which were one and done and never gotten by the divisional round. Like I said earlier, its no wonder why you lost your Rams for so many years with that line of thinking. I don't call that success at all. Not at all. And when others tell me how I am suppose to feel about my team, I do get a bit hot under the collar.

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:00 pm**

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:First of all little boy, I don't need your history lesson. Especially when so much of it is untrue. I guess we get our facts from different resources. First of all, we have only 2 playoff wins since 1996 after our last Super Bowl. that is totally unacceptable when you are the most popular fraotional fan and think the Cowboys are doing poorly. They are a business that constantly gets in the playoffs and the league and the owner are happy with that bottom line.

As I said , you have some sort of dynasty or repeated SB appearance like the Cowboys have H ad. You can pretty much expect nothing great for 20 to 50 years. That's just how it works.

Bad news for Patriots fans lol the fast slide down is coming and lasting for years.

Have a wonderful summer day!

You weren't factually correct on a couple items. You didn't insult me, just offended me a bit. So your saying in the last 17 years we Cowboys fans should be happy with 9 playoff appearances, 7 of which were one and done and never gotten by the divisional round. Like I said earlier, its no wonder why you lost your Rams for so many years with that line of thinking. I don't call that success at all. Not at all. And when others tell me how I am suppose to feel about my team, I do get a bit hot under the collar.

whether you are happy about it or not,making the playoffs represents a successful season and 9 out of 17 times is a above average and phenomenal compared to most teams in league. Like I said,those 2 dynasties mean its going to be a long while before they show up in a SB again. Romo will be like the new Archie Manning when he retires except with more playoff appearances

its no wonder why you lost your Rams for so many years with that line of thinking.

I have no idea what this means. I dont own the team nor did I lose them. I dont get emotionally involved with tv sports entertainment. Nothing about my life is affected by any team winning or losing or moving.

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:08 pm**

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
ErnieDiGregorio wrote:You weren't factually correct on a couple items. You didn't insult me, just offended me a bit. So your saying in the last 17 years we Cowboys fans should be happy with 9 playoff appearances, 7 of which were one and done and never gotten by the divisional round. Like I said earlier, its no wonder why you lost your Rams for so many years with that line of thinking. I don't call that success at all. Not at all. And when others tell me how I am suppose to feel about my team, I do get a bit hot under the collar.

whether you are happy about it or not,making the playoffs represents a successful season and 9 out of 17 times is a above average and phenomenal compared to most teams in league. Like I said,those 2 dynasties mean its going to be a long while before they show up in a SB again. Romo will be like the new Archie Manning when he retires except with more playoff appearances

its no wonder why you lost your Rams for so many years with that line of thinking.

I have no idea what this means. I dont own the team nor did I lose them. I dont get emotionally involved with tv sports entertainment. Nothing about my life is affected by any team winning or losing or moving.

Then why tell fans of other teams how to feel about their teams when you don't even get emotionally involved with your own team? Wow. It doesn't take 17 years to rebuild a team like you are suggesting. Doomsday 1 was dismantled after the 1974 season. We retooled, and made 3 of the next 4 Super Bowls with doomsday II. You have no idea what you are talking about. Your a bone head and I will not engage in any more banter with a person with a mind of a 11 year old. By the way, I wouldn't give Culter or Dilfer a frigging mop job.

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:05 am**

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
whether you are happy about it or not,making the playoffs represents a successful season and 9 out of 17 times is a above average and phenomenal compared to most teams in league. Like I said,those 2 dynasties mean its going to be a long while before they show up in a SB again. Romo will be like the new Archie Manning when he retires except with more playoff appearances

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I have no idea what this means. I dont own the team nor did I lose them. I dont get emotionally involved with tv sports entertainment. Nothing about my life is affected by any team winning or losing or moving.

Then why tell fans of other teams how to feel about their teams when you don't even get emotionally involved with your own team? Wow. It doesn't take 17 years to rebuild a team like you are suggesting. Doomsday 1 was dismantled after the 1974 season. We retooled, and made 3 of the next 4 Super Bowls with doomsday II. You have no idea what you are talking about. Your a bone head and I will not engage in any more banter with a person with a mind of a 11 year old. By the way, I wouldn't give Culter or Dilfer a frigging mop job.

Wow. It doesn't take 17 years to rebuild a team like you are suggesting.

I didnt say anything about rebuilding. I said they werent getting back to a super bowl in a long time.

You have no idea what you are talking about

its been 17 years and they havent gotten back to any SB.So far, I'm right.

Your a bone head and I will not engage in any more banter with a person with a mind of a 11 year old. By the way, I wouldn't give Culter or Dilfer a frigging mop job.

I've never heard 'mop job' before
thank you for response. I thought this place would be more active. Its designed well from what I see.
Maybe too spread out?

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