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1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Cam
4. Big Ben
5. Brees
6. Romo
7. Palmer
8. Mr. Wilson
9. Rivers
10. Dalton
11. Carr
12. Eli
13. Stafford
14. Ryan
15. Luck
16. Cousins
17. Bortles
18. Flacco
19. Tannehill
20. Smith
21. Bridgewater
22. Winston
23. Mariota
24. Fitz
25. Cutler
26. Taylor
27. Osweiler
28. RG3
29. Bradford
30. Sanchez

Just want to check with you before I make my list, is this ranking in terms of how we expect them to play this season?

I think you have the top 2 and then a group of about 10 who could fall in any order at any time depending on how good of line they had, receiving corp, etc. I think without a good line, guys like Ben, Newton, Wilson and Luck become more valuable but with a ton of time in the pocket guys like Rivers, Palmer and Ryan become more valuable.

And I'm a little unsure how high a guy like Andy Dalton should rank. I mean the guy had the second highest qb rating last year and has taken what was a perennially bad team before his arrival to the playoffs pretty much every year. Now he has struggled in the playoffs, but I think typically he just simply loses to a better team.

didnt think you'd underrate wilson, i'll take him over romo and maybe even brees

bleu wrote:Just want to check with you before I make my list, is this ranking in terms of how we expect them to play this season?

Sure.

Arda K wrote:didnt think you'd underrate wilson, i'll take him over romo and maybe even brees

Wow, that's high praise coming from you.

I think Luck is as good as Brees. Romo would be 5 for me.


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Cactus Jack wrote:1. Rodgers
2. Brady-
3. Cam
4. Big Ben-
5. Palmer-
6. Brees-
7. Romo-
8. Mr. Wilson
9. Rivers
10. Dalton
11. Carr
12. Eli-
13. Stafford
14. Ryan-
15. Luck-
16. Cousins
17. Bortles
18. Flacco
19. Tannehill
20. Smith
21. Bridgewater
22. Winston
23. Mariota
24. Fitz
25. Cutler
26. Taylor
27. Osweiler
28. RG3
29. Bradford
30. Sanchez

if its for upcoming season only,then...

1.Brees
2.E. Manning
3.Rodgers
4.Luck
5.Roethlisberger
6.Palmer
7. Ryan
8.Wilson
9.Brady
10.Romo
11.Flacco
12.Rivers-he can be higher but who cares? SD aint doing nothing
13.Bridgewater
14.Dalton
15.Taylor
16.Cam
17. Cutler I'm a member of the Cutler fan club !

last year was last year.

Cam and Dalton might get a few stats that put them a little higher but they wont be talked about as much and their teams wont be winning as much so thats why the lower rankings.
Brady is missing a month. No matter how many stats he gets he wont be top 3.

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:

Cactus Jack wrote:1. Rodgers
2. Brady-
3. Cam
4. Big Ben-
5. Palmer-
6. Brees-
7. Romo-
8. Mr. Wilson
9. Rivers
10. Dalton
11. Carr
12. Eli-
13. Stafford
14. Ryan-
15. Luck-
16. Cousins
17. Bortles
18. Flacco
19. Tannehill
20. Smith
21. Bridgewater
22. Winston
23. Mariota
24. Fitz
25. Cutler
26. Taylor
27. Osweiler
28. RG3
29. Bradford
30. Sanchez

if its for upcoming season only,then...

1.Brees
2.E. Manning
3.Rodgers
4.Luck
5.Roethlisberger
6.Palmer
7. Ryan
8.Wilson
9.Brady
10.Romo
11.Flacco
12.Rivers-he can be higher but who cares? SD aint doing nothing
13.Bridgewater
14.Dalton
15.Taylor
16.Cam
17. Cutler I'm a member of the Cutler fan club !

last year was last year.

Cam and Dalton might get a few stats that put them a little higher but they wont be talked about as much and their teams wont be winning as much so thats why the lower rankings.
Brady is missing a month. No matter how many stats he gets he wont be top 3.

LMFAO at Cam being lower than Bridgewater and Taylor

You are the gift that keeps on giving, my friend

bleu wrote:

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:

Cactus Jack wrote:1. Rodgers
2. Brady-
3. Cam
4. Big Ben-
5. Palmer-
6. Brees-
7. Romo-
8. Mr. Wilson
9. Rivers
10. Da


if its for upcoming season only,then...

1.Brees
2.E. Manning
3.Rodgers
4.Luck
5.Roethlisberger
6.Palmer
7. Ryan
8.Wilson
9.Brady
10.Romo
11.Flacco
12.Rivers-he can be higher but who cares? SD aint doing nothing
13.Bridgewater
14.Dalton
15.Taylor
16.Cam
17. Cutler I'm a member of the Cutler fan club !

last year was last year.

Cam and Dalton might get a few stats that put them a little higher but they wont be talked about as much and their teams wont be winning as much so thats why the lower rankings.
Brady is missing a month. No matter how many stats he gets he wont be top 3.

LMFAO at Cam being lower than Bridgewater and Taylor

You are the gift that keeps on giving, my friend

after the top 10,it really doesnt matter where the rest are placed.
They could all be tied for 11th for all I care.
Cam might get more stats than Taylor but it wont matter as Taylor will be in the playoffs and Cam wont

Blazerbob wrote:I think Luck is as good as Brees.

What makes you say that!?

http://www.nfl.com/player/andrewluck/2533031/careerstats
http://www.nfl.com/player/drewbrees/2504775/careerstats

bwgood77 wrote:I think you have the top 2 and then a group of about 10 who could fall in any order at any time depending on how good of line they had, receiving corp, etc. I think without a good line, guys like Ben, Newton, Wilson and Luck become more valuable but with a ton of time in the pocket guys like Rivers, Palmer and Ryan become more valuable.

I agree minus Luck. Which is why I rate Russ, Big Ben, Cam fairly high. Russ could be top 5 this season.

Cactus Jack wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:I think you have the top 2 and then a group of about 10 who could fall in any order at any time depending on how good of line they had, receiving corp, etc. I think without a good line, guys like Ben, Newton, Wilson and Luck become more valuable but with a ton of time in the pocket guys like Rivers, Palmer and Ryan become more valuable.

I agree minus Luck. Which is why I rate Russ, Big Ben, Cam fairly high. Russ could be top 5 this season.

I'll give Luck the benefit of the doubt for last year. Going into the year, after the previous year, he was a top 2 qb. If he has another bad year I'll take him out of that group.

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
if its for upcoming season only,then...

1.Brees
2.E. Manning
3.Rodgers
4.Luck
5.Roethlisberger
6.Palmer
7. Ryan
8.Wilson
9.Brady
10.Romo
11.Flacco
12.Rivers-he can be higher but who cares? SD aint doing nothing
13.Bridgewater
14.Dalton
15.Taylor
16.Cam
17. Cutler I'm a member of the Cutler fan club !

You have Ryan rated fairly high. Eli having a better season than most? Lol at Cam.

Cactus Jack wrote:

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
if its for upcoming season only,then...

1.Brees
2.E. Manning
3.Rodgers
4.Luck
5.Roethlisberger
6.Palmer
7. Ryan
8.Wilson
9.Brady
10.Romo
11.Flacco
12.Rivers-he can be higher but who cares? SD aint doing nothing
13.Bridgewater
14.Dalton
15.Taylor
16.Cam
17. Cutler I'm a member of the Cutler fan club !

You have Ryan rated fairly high. Eli having a better season than most? Lol at Cam.

Eli threw for 35 TDs and 4400 something yards last year.
he'll be just as good this year.
Ryan will have a better year than Cam this year.
last year the Panthers were 15-1, two years ago they were 7-8-1.
What makes you think this year will be like last year?

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:

Cactus Jack wrote:

ErnieDiGregorio wrote:
if its for upcoming season only,then...

1.Brees
2.E. Manning
3.Rodgers
4.Luck
5.Roethlisberger
6.Palmer
7. Ryan
8.Wilson
9.Brady
10.Romo
11.Flacco
12.Rivers-he can be higher but who cares? SD aint doing nothing
13.Bridgewater
14.Dalton
15.Taylor
16.Cam
17. Cutler I'm a member of the Cutler fan club !

You have Ryan rated fairly high. Eli having a better season than most? Lol at Cam.

Eli threw for 35 TDs and 4400 something yards last year.
he'll be just as good this year.
Ryan will have a better year than Cam this year.
last year the Panthers were 15-1, two years ago they were 7-8-1.
What makes you think this year will be like last year?

I don't think it will. Carolina won't repeat that. But, Cam took a big jump. Ryan has taken a step back the last couple of years. Solid. But, he's somewhat leveled off in his play. Does Cam take a big step back?

Every (projected) starting QB in the NFL for 2016

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Cam Newton
3. Tom Brady
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Russell Wilson
6. Carson Palmer
7. Drew Brees
8. Andrew Luck
9. Tony Romo
10. Phillip Rivers
11. Eli Manning
12. Andy Dalton
13. Derek Carr
14. Joe Flacco
15. Matt Ryan
16. Blake Bortles
17. Alex Smith
18. Jay Cutler
19. Jameis Winston
20. Kirk Cousins
21. Matt Staford
22. Ryan Tannehill
23. Brock Osweiler
24. Teddy Bridgewater
25. Ryan Fitzpatrick
26. Robert Griffin III
27. Marcus Mariota
28. Mark Sanchez
29. Tyrod Taylor
30. Sam Bradford
31. Blaine Gabbert
32. Case Keenum

ErnieDiGregorio wrote: Ryan will have a better year than Cam this year.
last year the Panthers were 15-1, two years ago they were 7-8-1.
What makes you think this year will be like last year?

Will Carolina go go 15-1 again this year? Not likely. Will they be a very good team again? They have absolutely no reason not to be. They have their ENTIRE coaching staff returning, I mean literally not one coordinator or position coach left, which is a miracle after last season. Cam Newton is only 27 years old, he's just entering his prime. Jonathan Stewart and Greg Olsen will be back, as well as their entire receiving corps PLUS their #1 receiver, a 6'5 guy who had over 1000 receiving yards his rookie season, Kelvin Benjamin. The OL and DL are virtually the same, plus the addition of Vernon Butler, the LB corps is virtually the same. The secondary is literally the only place which takes a hit from last season, with the loss of Josh Norman, but you can't tell me that takes them from 15-1 to missing the playoffs.

Did you watch a single Carolina Panthers game last season, aside from the Super Bowl? Watching only the Super Bowl, I can understand how someone could look at them and say "okay, this season was just a fluke, these are their true colors". If you watched all 19 games they played last season like I did, trying to be as absolutely fair and objective as I can, that was a damn good team and it's clear that the Super Bowl was the fluke.

bleu wrote:Every (projected) starting QB in the NFL for 2016

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Cam Newton
3. Tom Brady
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Russell Wilson
6. Carson Palmer
7. Drew Brees
8. Andrew Luck
9. Tony Romo
10. Phillip Rivers
11. Eli Manning
12. Andy Dalton
13. Derek Carr
14. Joe Flacco
15. Matt Ryan
16. Blake Bortles
17. Alex Smith
18. Jay Cutler
19. Jameis Winston
20. Kirk Cousins
21. Matt Staford
22. Ryan Tannehill
23. Brock Osweiler
24. Teddy Bridgewater
25. Ryan Fitzpatrick
26. Robert Griffin III
27. Marcus Mariota
28. Mark Sanchez
29. Tyrod Taylor
30. Sam Bradford
31. Blaine Gabbert
32. Case Keenum

Russ #5

It's amazing how the outlook on him has quickly changed. The talk of a "game manager".

Luck ahead of Romo? Interesting...

Cactus Jack wrote:
Russ #5

Its amazing how quick the consensus of him has changed. The talk of him being nothing more than a "game manager".

Luck ahead of Romo?

I'm a HUGE fan of Russ, he's probably my third favorite NFL QB after Cam and Brees. And I think that he's going to have a monster year. If healthy, that team is going to be very very difficult to stop. It's amazing how after one "down" year (where they still make the divisional round of the playoffs) everyone forgets his back-to-back SB years

Luck is the biggest wild card for me this year, and could be the one that I'm the most wrong about. Last year I was big on him as well and he looked like garbage. But man, it's pretty hard to overlook 2014. I saw that you had him at 15, and that's probably a fair spot as well, I'm taking a little bit of a gamble putting him this high.