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FNQ wrote:
Im at the point where I dont even care if Zeke gets suspended for 6 games as long as someone holds the NFL accountable for the way they do things.
Mr B wrote:
The update I got said the judge was on vacation so this may only stand for a week or two. Lol
Dominater wrote:Damn Cactus jack takin over
Cactus Jack wrote:What a joke.
NEW YORK -- Ezekiel Elliott wants to fight for his name.
The NFL wants to ensure the commissioner's disciplinary powers remain strong.
Middle ground has been impossible to find during this protracted saga. But for the first time since both sides dug in for the long haul, a brief window has opened for the principals to seriously explore a compromise.
Sources said the two sides have discussed the possibility of a settlement. This should come as no surprise. There has been dialogue behind the scenes, one source asserts, after each court ruling along the way.
The level of sincerity present in those previous discussions is open to debate.
The NFL was in no mood to deal after arbiter Harold Henderson upheld the commissioner's six-game suspension. Elliott's side wasn't inclined to back down after they won a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction from a court in Sherman.
The league regained its edge with last week's ruling in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Negotiations are about leverage. The side with the upper hand, especially in a battle as acrimonious as this one, often tends to overplay that hand, making a settlement unlikely.
Why is now different?
Well, Judge Paul Crotty in the Southern District of New York only granted Elliott a temporary restraining order. The two sides must turn to Judge Katherine Failla before the month is done to determine the status of the preliminary injunction.
That decision determines whether Elliott will begin serving his suspension during the season or if this legal wrangling is pushed into the offseason before it results in clarity.
It can be argued both sides have inflicted enough harm on the other at this stage to be amenable to a settlement. Elliott can claim a reduced suspension is an admission that the NFL overreached, not an admission of guilt on his part. The NFL can acknowledge it made procedural mistakes in the investigation and process and avoid a potential negative ruling that would undermine future discipline.
Now, the big question: what is that number for both sides? Two games? Three?
If the two sides enter serious negotiations now, Judge Failla won't have to hear this case when she returns from vacation.
David Moore - Dallas Morning News
Otis Driftwood wrote:Sources: Ezekiel Elliott's team, NFL have discussed the possibility of a settlement
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/10/18/sources-ezekiel-elliotts-team-nfl-discussed-possibility-settlementNEW YORK -- Ezekiel Elliott wants to fight for his name.
The NFL wants to ensure the commissioner's disciplinary powers remain strong.
Middle ground has been impossible to find during this protracted saga. But for the first time since both sides dug in for the long haul, a brief window has opened for the principals to seriously explore a compromise.
Sources said the two sides have discussed the possibility of a settlement. This should come as no surprise. There has been dialogue behind the scenes, one source asserts, after each court ruling along the way.
The level of sincerity present in those previous discussions is open to debate.
The NFL was in no mood to deal after arbiter Harold Henderson upheld the commissioner's six-game suspension. Elliott's side wasn't inclined to back down after they won a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction from a court in Sherman.
The league regained its edge with last week's ruling in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Negotiations are about leverage. The side with the upper hand, especially in a battle as acrimonious as this one, often tends to overplay that hand, making a settlement unlikely.
Why is now different?
Well, Judge Paul Crotty in the Southern District of New York only granted Elliott a temporary restraining order. The two sides must turn to Judge Katherine Failla before the month is done to determine the status of the preliminary injunction.
That decision determines whether Elliott will begin serving his suspension during the season or if this legal wrangling is pushed into the offseason before it results in clarity.
It can be argued both sides have inflicted enough harm on the other at this stage to be amenable to a settlement. Elliott can claim a reduced suspension is an admission that the NFL overreached, not an admission of guilt on his part. The NFL can acknowledge it made procedural mistakes in the investigation and process and avoid a potential negative ruling that would undermine future discipline.
Now, the big question: what is that number for both sides? Two games? Three?
If the two sides enter serious negotiations now, Judge Failla won't have to hear this case when she returns from vacation.
David Moore - Dallas Morning News
FNQ wrote:NFL now taking the stance that they aren't trying to come to an agreement.
I'd feel much better about the situation if the NFL came out and said that if a NFL player is accused of something without evidence, they'll punish them anyways, because of how poorly they handled DV in the past. Just be honest!
FNQ wrote:Well, that about does it.
The NFL suspends a guy who was accused of domestic violence with a TON of uncertainty around it. Kessler feebly argued that it was an NFL conspiracy instead of just going straightforward with NFL incompetence / public relations. Just a cluster-eff all around.
Throwing away the fantasy and football parts for a minute, Zeke is not a guy who you can say is a morally upstanding guy. But based on everything out there, he's also not a guy who you can say is someone who physically abused women. But that stigma will hang around his neck for as long as he's relevant, because the NFL didn't punish legitimate domestic violence (Ray Rice, Josh Brown) nearly well enough. I feel terrible for the guy, as a human being, for having that hung around him now.
FNQ wrote:Well, that about does it.
The NFL suspends a guy who was accused of domestic violence with a TON of uncertainty around it. Kessler feebly argued that it was an NFL conspiracy instead of just going straightforward with NFL incompetence / public relations. Just a cluster-eff all around.
Throwing away the fantasy and football parts for a minute, Zeke is not a guy who you can say is a morally upstanding guy. But based on everything out there, he's also not a guy who you can say is someone who physically abused women. But that stigma will hang around his neck for as long as he's relevant, because the NFL didn't punish legitimate domestic violence (Ray Rice, Josh Brown) nearly well enough. I feel terrible for the guy, as a human being, for having that hung around him now.
FNQ wrote:Newest motion denied by the same judge, so off they go to the 2nd Circuit for Zeke's final appeal. Dont think this changes anything - very unlikely that a judge changes their ruling - but hopefully her written rejection will include a change of heart regarding irreparable harm, because if that becomes a precedent, owners across all sports will have a drastic amount of power regarding suspensions.
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