Turning around the Browns

Celtsfan1980 · Post #101 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:58 pm

If they trade down with the Texans pick who among teams possibly looking for a quarterback is the best option(a team that could miss the playoffs so they can trade down again next season)? Some free agents in two seasons, so I'm expecting a trade down.
Bills
Cardinals
Jets(should lose the remaining games, so may have a better pick than the Houston pick)
Redskins
Jaguars
Saints
Steelers
Patriots
Other possibilities:Bengals and Ravens
I'm leaning towards Washington, Arizona, and Buffalo, but if the Steelers offered two future first round picks and at least one second and Roethlisberger retires I'd at least contemplate it.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #102 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:20 pm

Primarily two decisions have cost us:
Quarterback decisions. Case Keenum was available. Ryan Fitzpatrick could have helped too. Bad luck that Kessler has regressed but you had to plan for the possibility. $4 million for a quarterback was apparently too much money. I have hope for Kizer but he should be third string next season.
Didn't need a kicker but we drafted one anyways. Regressed in this area and it could have cost us the Jets game.

As it is I'm happy with the lack of blowouts and am optimistic for next season regardless of the next two games.

Post #103 » by **FNQ** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:04 am

Kizer could have continued building on two solid weeks, instead he went right back to fringe NFL talent level.

Josh Rosen will be QBing this team in 2018

LAKESHOW · Post #104 » by **LAKESHOW** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:07 am

FNQ wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:I'm glad darnold is not the #1 QB. Hopefully they take Rosen or Mayfield.

Darnold has been so bad this year, Im not even sure he goes top 4 despite 3 of those teams likely drafting QBs. Let's say he drops to Denver at 4.. do they take him? Think they'd be more inclined to offer the #4 for a vet QB like Cousins, and the Redskins would probably take that.

Aahaha, unfortunately, that type of decision making has cost the Browns. They absolutely have NO IDEA who to take, whats going to happen, fear of repurcussions, total and complete paralysis.

wco81 · Post #105 » by **wco81** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 6:56 am

Just saw bits of Hugh's post-game comments.

He said other coaches would have walked away rather than go 1-31.

Well, TBH, he's going to have to turn the Browns around or he will probably not get another HC job for a long time, if ever.

But now with the #1 and #4 pick, that roster should be replenished fairly quickly, unless they botch both of those picks.

LAKESHOW · Post #106 » by **LAKESHOW** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 10:49 am

Here's what you do. Hire Bruce arians, ex cardinal coach. He used to coach Ben rothlesberger and Carson palmer. Then draft sam darnold. A big rothlisberger look alike, and went to high school down the road from palmer, similar throwing mechanics. Then develop a line and running game around darnold. Problems solved. Browns restored.

laika · Post #107 » by **laika** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 4:57 pm

Browns have a tough decision.

Mayfield was by far the best QB this year. He has improved every year and is the best college QB ever. Of course scouts don't like him because he doesn't have measurables.

Darnold and Rosen both looked fairly mediocre for a top pick.

I personally would take Mayfield. When a QB is massively better than the prototypical option, just take the better one and risk it.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #108 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 5:14 pm

Brown were very much successful till they moved to the AFC after the merger. Lets bring the Cleveland browns back home to the NFC where they belong.

wco81 · Post #109 » by **wco81** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 5:52 pm

Supposedly Dorsey will gravitate to Allen because since they missed with Wentz, Dorsey is similar in terms of size, athleticism and arm.

Dr Positivity · Post #110 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 7:37 pm

The amount of QBs they missed on lately is astonishing. I can't get over having 12th pick in a draft where they could already be happy drafting non QB #1 in Garrett and not ending up with either Watson or Jimmy G

LAKESHOW · Post #111 » by **LAKESHOW** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 10:03 pm

Mayfield is a Johnny manzell look alike. Now, I want Mayfield to be successful. But, that added seed of doubt, and rumor has been going around Cleveland front office, and they are petrified. Therein lies the problem. Indecision. Doubt.

LAKESHOW · Post #112 » by **LAKESHOW** » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:29 am

Kiper has
#1 Allen
#2. Rosen
#3. Chubb
#4. Saquon
#5. Darnold

BudTugly · Post #113 » by **BudTugly** » Sun Feb 4, 2018 9:52 pm

1 Darnold
After that they can get cute as they want.

If Barkley is there at 4 you take him otherwise I’d try to trade down with somebody who has fallen in love with Allen or Mayfield. Maybe get a future 1st. They have to find a deep cover safety to get Peppers closer to the LOS. Whitehead maybe somewhere on day 2.

Lots of noise about bringing in a vet QB but the reality is when you draft one top 3 that guy is gonna play sooner than later. So if they do bring somebody in that person needs to be somewhat disposable. Bring back McCown or someone of that caliber.

$ .02

Post #114 » by **FNQ** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 4:30 pm

Reporters out here saying that Cousins to the Browns is extremely unlikely, so looks like they will have to blow a top 4 pick on a QB with question marks. Unless they go w/a vet like Tyrod, Keenum, Bradford, Teddy B, or AJ McCarron (and I guess Cutler?)..

LAKESHOW · Post #115 » by **LAKESHOW** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 4:51 pm

Foles

Post #116 » by **FNQ** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:19 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:Foles

if Foles is a UFA, he's a target as well. But not a high one, because we've seen what guys like him and Keenum can do when they are in less than favorable systems.

I think a smart option would be Tyrod Taylor (opens up the run game, TO-averse), while drafting Barkley #1 and then drafting one of the QBs #4. Darnold should still be there, as I'd expect Rosen to go #2. If Colts trade 3, Darnold could go, but Josh Allen IMO is just as good a prospect. So minimal risk taking Barkley 1 if Tyrod is opening the season as your starter

LAKESHOW · Post #117 » by **LAKESHOW** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:40 pm

FNQ wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:Foles

if Foles is a UFA, he's a target as well. But not a high one

Say wha? Dude is Superbowl MVP. Now I'm beginning to understand the Cleveland type of mindset.(not you personally, but just to make a point) But the Guy is Superbowl MVP! If the Browns don't make a play in Foles, ...fuughetta bout it..

Post #118 » by **FNQ** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 7:39 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:
FNQ wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:Foles

if Foles is a UFA, he's a target as well. But not a high one

Say wha? Dude is Superbowl MVP. Now I'm beginning to understand the Cleveland type of mindset.(not you personally, but just to make a point) But the Guy is Superbowl MVP! If the Browns don't make a play in Foles, ...fuughetta bout it..

Being a Super Bowl MVP doesnt indicate anything. Malcolm Smith won it. Desmond Howard. Joe Flacco. Dexter Jackson. Deion Branch. Santonio Holmes.

System players can win it too. Foles was surrounded by a great cast and his OL has been the best since he took over. I think its a worse mindset to look at accolades as a reason to pursue players.. Foles didnt make the Eagles win. They had an incredibly deep supporting cast, and they all performed well. Foles was part of that. He's already had and lost 2 starting jobs in his career.

So he shouldnt be prioritized over a guy like Cousins, and should be considered on the same level as system/specialist QBs like Tyrod and Keenum. McCarron is the wildcard, because he looks to be a game manager+ type, but we havent seen enough of him to know

BudTugly · Post #119 » by **BudTugly** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 2:54 am

I love how the world just must have an alternative to Cleveland just taking their highest rated QB at 1. I get the reputation but they have been stacking pro evaluators in there since Sashi dove on the McCarron grenade.

Post #120 » by **FNQ** » Tue Feb 6, 2018 5:20 pm

BudTugly wrote:I love how the world just must have an alternative to Cleveland just taking their highest rated QB at 1. I get the reputation but they have been stacking pro evaluators in there since Sashi dove on the McCarron grenade.

Most teams drafting at 1 don't have a pick 3 picks later, in a draft where there are likely 5 1st round QBs and none of whom are discernibly better than the others. Not to mention one of the teams sandwiched between the picks doesnt need a QB, and the other is likely drafting a QB that publicly came out and said he didnt want to play for CLE (Rosen).

So unless they rate one of the other 4 higher than the rest (they shouldn't, Darnold looks to be a raw west coast QB, Allen is a big strong arm but not really accurate, Mayfield has the mental tools but not a great physical guy, Lamar Jackson needs to add weight and is mostly potential), they have an opportunity to not only grab the QB they want but a gamechanging RB as well. As Gurley, Zeke, and Fournette have shown, getting an elite RB can change a franchise's fortunes in a hurry, and provide less than stellar QBs with a ton of room for error