bmurph128 wrote:1. Where are you getting "hate"? For me I'm saying he's about the 10th best QB in the NFL. If I was hating, I would say he was in the bottom half. Top 10 is still a very good QB, especially today.
2. Probably where we disagree - but I think you're giving way too much credit to the QB position here. The Seattle Seahawks accomplished all those things, and they had more success when Wilson was the 3rd most important part of the team (defense/Lynch/Wilson) - now that he's the 2nd most important they haven't had nearly as much success - that's probably where our disconnect is.
I was just using the "hate" term in the colloquially way it's being used now. That's all.
There are two ways to look at where I or someone else might rank Wilson. The first being where would you rank him right now in comparison, as in present QB play and past QB play. The second being where would you rank him as in present QB play and future QB play. There is a distinction here for the simple reason that I or someone else might choose Wilson over the likes of a Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees, etc... simply on the basis of their age and real and potentially diminishing effects of it upon their future performance.
Also, in the second instance, one might rank Wilson a little lower than some younger and less experienced QB because they might think that these younger QB's, based upon present play and future potential, will exceed Wilson as an NFL starting QB. There is obviously more conjecture involved in this latter case than the former one.
In terms of QB play right now, meaning this year and recent years, I would personally only rank a few QB's clearly higher than Wilson:
--Brady
--Rodgers
--Brees
--Roethlisberger
Then I would look at QB's that I deem you could make a decent argument for as being better taking the good with the bad:
--Rivers
--Ryan
--Eli Manning (hard to dismiss 2 Super Bowls)
Then I there would be the QB's that some might argue as being better, but which I simply don't agree, and don't think the facts bear it out, at least not yet, for one reason or another:
--Luck
--Stafford
--Newton
Then there's the QB's who might be playing pretty good now, but there's not enough evidence yet to make such judgments IMO:
--Carr
--Marriotta
--Presscott
--Winston
--Wentz
--etc...
As both a Seahawk fan and someone who considers themselves to be a somewhat objective observer, and assuming that Rodgers was healthy now, there's only a few QB's that I might insert over Wilson if I wanted to win a Super Bowl THIS YEAR:
--Brady
--Rodgers
There are only a few more I would consider:
--Brees
--Rivers
--Ryan
For various different reasons, I wouldn't consider choosing Roethlisberger or Manning. For other reasons, I wouldn't consider choosing Stafford, Luck, Newton, or any of the other younger QB's either.
With all this scattered thinking of mine in mind, and my needing to see more out of the younger crop of QB's, I have a hard time seeing Wilson ranked lower than 9th, and personally and currently I rank him somewhere about 4 through 7, depending upon my mood.
In the end, time will better sort out such distinctions.
