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Not week 16 but too lazy to make a Pro Bowl thread. And here to continue my rant of how Harrison Smith is the most underrated safety of the last 2 decades. Led in votes for NFC safeties, tied for 3rd for INTs for the entire league, the Vikings defense looks even drastically worse when he misses a game. With all that said didn’t make the Pro Bowl…

It's not a massive snub, but Tyson Campbell should have been in the conversation for Pro Bowl at corner

Dude's great, it's not his fault the rest of the secondary is a dumpster fire.

Earlier in the season this Thursday night game looked like a terrible one...but over the course of the season these teams are both now in the playoff picture and these teams are pretty tough....could be a good game.

I'm glad Jax finally showing that they can be really good given the way I watched them manhandle the Chargers.

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good thing the vikings play indoors

it feels like -19 here now!

Duke4life831 wrote:Not week 16 but too lazy to make a Pro Bowl thread. And here to continue my rant of how Harrison Smith is the most underrated safety of the last 2 decades. Led in votes for NFC safeties, tied for 3rd for INTs for the entire league, the Vikings defense looks even drastically worse when he misses a game. With all that said didn’t make the Pro Bowl…

just looked it up, he's been playing for over ten years and has made the first or second all-pro team just twice (2017-2018)

bwgood77 wrote:Earlier in the season this Thursday night game looked like a terrible one...but over the course of the season these teams are both now in the playoff picture and these teams are pretty tough....could be a good game.

I'm glad Jax finally showing that they can be really good given the way I watched them manhandle the Chargers.

I feel like we lay an egg every time there's expectations of us

We're still a very one-dimensional team. During the past 6 games (since TLaw went god mode), Etienne is only averaging 58 ypg on 3.8 ypa, and he's only rushed for more than 60 yards twice in that time

And our defense still sucks. We don't get a ton of turnovers, and our D Line still doesn't get any pressure, despite spending 3 1st round picks in the last 4 years on it

We're a bad team getting carried by Trevor Lawrence, and he's very good, but not great yet. Cowboys have a good defense, but Jets are even better I think.

DOT wrote:And our defense still sucks. We don't get a ton of turnovers, and our D Line still doesn't get any pressure, despite spending 3 1st round picks in the last 4 years on it

We're a bad team getting carried by Trevor Lawrence, and he's very good, but not great yet. Cowboys have a good defense, but Jets are even better I think.

How would you assess Travon Walker so far? Are you good with the pick? Or do you wish they had taken Hutchinson?

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DOT wrote:And our defense still sucks. We don't get a ton of turnovers, and our D Line still doesn't get any pressure, despite spending 3 1st round picks in the last 4 years on it

We're a bad team getting carried by Trevor Lawrence, and he's very good, but not great yet. Cowboys have a good defense, but Jets are even better I think.

How would you assess Travon Walker so far? Are you good with the pick? Or do you wish they had taken Hutchinson?

He's exactly as advertised

An okay run defender, elite athlete with no pass rush moves at all

I hope he can develop, him being taken 1st overall was always predicated on the idea that if he could be taught pass rush moves, he had elite potential. Right now I'd rather have Hutchinson or Thibodeaux, but it's always gonna be how he develops

But if I had to redraft, I'd take Sauce 1st without question.

Zach Wilson is a brutal watch.

Cactus Jack wrote:Zach Wilson is a brutal watch.

It's really insane the difference a win makes

Frank Gore doesn't go Beast Mode on the Rams that one time, us and the Jets flip draft positions

The gap between him and Trevor is a chasm at this point.

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Cactus Jack wrote:Zach Wilson is a brutal watch.

It's really insane the difference a win makes

Frank Gore doesn't go Beast Mode on the Rams that one time, us and the Jets flip draft positions

The gap between him and Trevor is a chasm at this point.

He's awful. The Jets are terrible at scouting QB's.

It's just wild to me how we fumbled at our own like 30 which led to a FG by the Jets on the first possession of the game, and they didn't score the entire rest of the time. Defense essentially pitched a shutout

And like, we're not that good of a defense, and we were missing 2 starters on the D Line, plus Big Smoot went down in the 2nd half.

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reminds me of this




Kiper had Clausen as #1 on his draft board with a very high 1st round grade, had to watch Clausen drop into the 2nd round. Clausen was an absolute lock for Mel

Going to be one of the colder weekends in NFL history. 7 games are supposed to be below freezing, hasnt been that many since 2000. Cleveland looks like it will be nuts. The over under is 32.5, lowest for a game since 2008.

go vikings!

lot of white today for the vikes, endzone painted white, all-white uniforms

ah, winter white out

that's fun, pro teams don't usually do stuff like that do they? i know college does it a lot