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Jets Accused of Cheating by the Ravens
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:06 pm
by Jose7
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3024755
Billick accused the New York Jets of using an "illegal" ploy to draw Baltimore offside during Sunday's game.
Billick said Monday that the Jets' defense shouted out signals to intentionally throw off the Baltimore offense. Billick claimed the tactic led to the three illegal procedure penalties against the Ravens.
"They did an outstanding job. I credit the New York Jets. Their defensive line and linebackers did a very, very effective job of illegally simulating the snap count," Billick said. "They did it the whole game long. It needs to be caught."
Tackle Adam Terry bolted offside in the first and third quarters. Tight end Quinn Sypniewski jumped in the first quarter.
"That's not an excuse by any stretch of the imagination. But it is illegal," Billick said. "Our guys have to deal with it. I don't know how to help my linemen with that because, you're in the heat of battle and you're calling the snap count, and the guy across from you is also calling a snap count -- which is illegal."
The Ravens won the game 20-13. Baltimore took a 20-3 lead into the fourth quarter but nearly wilted under a comeback by the Jets, who benefited from four fourth-quarter penalties against Baltimore.
For the game, New York received two penalties for 20 yards and the Ravens were penalized 11 times for 100 yards.
"You have to look at the nature of the penalties. First off, the fact that we had 11 penalties and they only had two and we dominated the game," Billick said. "I have a hard time understanding that the team that was playing so well and dominating had so many penalties and the other team had only two."
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:27 pm
by J.Kim
TEHY ARE TEH CHETZORZ! RAWR!
CHEATZORRZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:45 pm
by jumanji
The whole league is full of teams that try to get an edge, the Broncos teach cutblocks at guys knees, i'll take the Pats over some of these other hypocrites any day.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:38 am
by Worm Guts
jumanji wrote:The whole league is full of teams that try to get an edge, the Broncos teach cutblocks at guys knees, i'll take the Pats over some of these other hypocrites any day.
That's not illegal
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:39 am
by FakeScreenName123
the jets should lose a 2nd rd pick or be wiped from the face of the earth.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:48 am
by HMFFL
jumanji wrote:The whole league is full of teams that try to get an edge, the Broncos teach cutblocks at guys knees, i'll take the Pats over some of these other hypocrites any day.
The Falcons did the same over the past couple seasons
and it really helped the team out.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:49 am
by Abraham Lincoln
That's called trickery, not cheating. STFU Billick.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:21 am
by UTMCretin
Abraham Lincoln wrote:That's called trickery, not cheating. STFU Billick.
Much better. Now I feel like giving Eric Mangini a big hug. Silly Billick and his sillier yet complaints
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:45 am
by Kweli
I agree thats a lame tactic, the players should just play.
But what rule says you can't do that?
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:27 am
by Icness
It is a penalty for a defensive player to simulate the snap count or fake snap calls. The Bears got whistled for it on Sunday, so did the Texans and Lions in Week 1. But what's more interesting to me is that Notre Dame has been flagged for it 3 times this year. Their head coach is a Belichick disciple, just like Mangini. That whole coaching tree is apparently prone to underhanded tactics.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:37 pm
by Basketball Jesus
Icness wrote:It is a penalty for a defensive player to simulate the snap count or fake snap calls. The Bears got whistled for it on Sunday, so did the Texans and Lions in Week 1. But what's more interesting to me is that Notre Dame has been flagged for it 3 times this year. Their head coach is a Belichick disciple, just like Mangini. That whole coaching tree is apparently prone to underhanded tactics.
I also have it on good authority that one of Bill Belichick
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:48 pm
by wigglestrue
I also have it on good authority that one of Bill Belichick
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:28 pm
by Icness
Basketball Jesus wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I also have it on good authority that one of Bill Belichick
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:46 pm
by SMRattler
So, is this the "new" NFL under our new comish?
Pointing fingers and crying "you're cheating!"????
Seems like since Goodell has started to shape this thing his way, it's become about anything BUT football now.
I just want football back. I want my NFL back.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:24 pm
by J.Kim
I just made this post on my blog:
Regarding the whole Belichick scandal and the motivation for Goodell to lay down the law on Belichick, TMQ actually made a good point/hypotehsis in regards to the overall play quality in the NFL, and how he thinks Goodell is trying to reform the image of the NFL after the lack of accountability over the years.
I don't agree that Goodell should have made it as public as he did, or make Belichick out to be the scapegoat when just about every other team in the NFL does it, but it is a valid point.
With the recent rash of legal troubles by NFL players, the league needs a image makeover, and accountability by teams is a good way. But rather than having just the teams be accountable for their personnel's actions, how about the actual league in itself. I mean, after all of this, this is still a league that can't even provide a decent pension for all those players who have sacrificed their bodies in the earlier hayday of football. This is still a league that puts the game itself over the health of its players, as evidenced by the non-action of players leading with their heads on tackles, not making the anti-concussion helmets mandatory in the wake of Kevin Everett's paralysis. In my personal opinion, I don't even think the NFL's substance abuse policy (particularly HGH) is strong enough (Wade Wilson is a different case however).
Goodell's taking on the external appearance of this league head-on, but what he's not doing is taking on the internal appearance of this league, at least not that I've seen so far. IMHO, Goodell needs to clear up the internal stuff, before he can even begin to tackle the external stuff.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:45 pm
by Worm Guts
J.Kim wrote:
I don't agree that Goodell should have made it as public as he did, or make Belichick out to be the scapegoat when just about every other team in the NFL does it, but it is a valid point.
.
How is he supposed to make it less public?
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:50 pm
by Basketball Jesus
With the recent rash of legal troubles by NFL players, the league needs a image makeover, and accountability by teams is a good way.
See, I don't buy this at all. The NFL didn't have an "image problem" aside from a few bad apples. This wasn't the NBA in the early aughts: the NFL, by an large, was always known as a rather staid and uptight league. What Goodell's doing now smacks of a firefighter putting out a fire he deliberately set: he's trying to differentiate himself from Tags by being something Tags was never fond of being, a
strict disciplinarian.
Goodell's tenure has been an unmitigated disaster. And that's not because of the Patriots issue. The concussion policy is still a huge joke and out of all the problems Tags left, none have been effectively solved. All Goodell has done is ride the wave of public outcry.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:55 pm
by J.Kim
Worm Guts wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
How is he supposed to make it less public?
Conduct investigations in a private manner. Find out the results and THEN release information. By releasing information on an 'as-it-happens' basis, you allow the media personalities and the people holding on to the extremist views to latch onto whatever piece of news that impacted them the most. And despite the fact that more information has been released, these people still hold onto the same damned point, which really should not be the case.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:05 pm
by J.Kim
Basketball Jesus wrote:With the recent rash of legal troubles by NFL players, the league needs a image makeover, and accountability by teams is a good way.
See, I don't buy this at all. The NFL didn't have an "image problem" aside from a few bad apples. This wasn't the NBA in the early aughts: the NFL, by an large, was always known as a rather staid and uptight league. What Goodell's doing now smacks of a firefighter putting out a fire he deliberately set: he's trying to differentiate himself from Tags by being something Tags was never fond of being, a
strict disciplinarian.
Goodell's tenure has been an unmitigated disaster. And that's not because of the Patriots issue. The concussion policy is still a huge joke and out of all the problems Tags left, none have been effectively solved. All Goodell has done is ride the wave of public outcry.
You don't feel that there's been a recent increase in more criminal behavior, and more lenient handlings by the league? I know the NCAA has nothing to do with how the NFL operates, but the troubles created by WVU and other factory schools have definitely cast a ominous shadow over the game of football. The recent rash of criminal behavior, IMO, is just tipping the scale to unfavorable in the minds of football fans.
As for the punishments, I don't agree with the way that Goodell is handling this, in that he's suspending some players on the basis of suspicion (Pacman... I know, he's been in trouble in the past, but nothing was proven yet in the Las Vegas case) and overreacting in some cases (Wade Wilson comes to mind).
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:08 pm
by Worm Guts
J.Kim wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Conduct investigations in a private manner. Find out the results and THEN release information. By releasing information on an 'as-it-happens' basis, you allow the media personalities and the people holding on to the extremist views to latch onto whatever piece of news that impacted them the most. And despite the fact that more information has been released, these people still hold onto the same damned point, which really should not be the case.
I don't see anything that he could have or should have kept private. There wasn't much of an investigation or need for one. A Patriot employee was caught on the sideline with a video camera, end of story.