McNabb says black signal callers more scrutinized

[jumanji]

He may have a point but arent Kyle Boller, Eli Manning and Rex Grossman also under the microsope? Donovan says guys like Peyton, Palmer and Brady(not sure if he mentioned him but you get the point) seem to get less scrutiny. I would say he isnt in the same class as those others mentioned but that is just my opinion.

[Wizards2Lottery]

1-6 in his last 7 games.

4-9 since TO left

Hey McNabb STFU. You suck.

[NO-KG-AI]

I think it's true.

[Bucks_Revenge]

of course white people are going to look at it at a different way....only black people understand what he is really saying. ...


When a black person talks about race white people everywhere always get defensive and says its not true instead of trying to understand how black people really feel.


Being a black person growing up your always raised that you have to do extra to get respected , because being an African American your always going to have pressure on your self....


Being a black QB McNabb is saying he is playing a position that's rare for a black person to play. He feels all black QBS have to do a little extra to get respected at that position. i don't have all the answers but I know where he is coming from....I just know white people have no idea what he is coming from...


so you need to stfu and just respect what he is saying.

[NoSkyy]

I actually feel the most scruntized QB in the league is Rex Grossman, and that's more because of he plays for a big city rather than he's black or white.

[High 5]

In some cases I believe it's true, but not in McNabb's case. He is one of the most scrutinized QBs in the league because he chokes hard in big situations and he always gets hurt. It's dumb for him to say this after that awful game he played last night.

Coming from a former fan of arguably the most scrutinized quarterback in NFL history.

And also a big fan of McNabb. He's a great team guy and obviously an extremely talented player. He just has had bad luck with his body and for whatever reason could never get over the hump after being on the very tip of the hump for like 4 straight years.

[El Turco]

He may have a point but arent Kyle Boller, Eli Manning and Rex Grossman also under the microsope? Donovan says guys like Peyton, Palmer and Brady(not sure if he mentioned him but you get the point) seem to get less scrutiny. I would say he isnt in the same class as those others mentioned but that is just my opinion.

because they win and he doesnt*?




*last couple years of course.

[jumanji]

It certainly is going to be more front and center when it's the Eagles or the Giants with the media attention those teams get. I think at one time Donovan was thought of with Favre and Manning but those days are behind him. Funny how when things dont go well the race card comes out.

[JoeyH]

I actually feel the most scruntized QB in the league is Rex Grossman, and that's more because of he plays for a big city rather than he's black or white.

Thats more because he is awful.

[UrbanLegendMD]

1-6 in his last 7 games.

4-9 since TO left

Hey McNabb STFU. You suck.

QFT

[Icness]

It certainly is going to be more front and center when it's the Eagles or the Giants with the media attention those teams get. I think at one time Donovan was thought of with Favre and Manning but those days are behind him. Funny how when things dont go well the race card comes out.

In some cases I believe it's true, but not in McNabb's case. He is one of the most scrutinized QBs in the league because he chokes hard in big situations and he always gets hurt. It's dumb for him to say this after that awful game he played last night.

Nice posts guys

of course white people are going to look at it at a different way....only black people understand what he is really saying. ...

When a black person talks about race white people everywhere always get defensive and says its not true instead of trying to understand how black people really feel.

Being a black person growing up your always raised that you have to do extra to get respected , because being an African American your always going to have pressure on your self....

I think there is some truth to that as well. But I do find it strange and regrettable that most black people tend to not appreciate the scrutiny and pressure that prominent white QBs are under. You think Brady Quinn won't be crucified if he's not the messiah everyone in Cleveland believes he is just because he's a handsome white guy? Have you seen Eli Manning's press up to this season? Rex Grossman? The intense pressure is there because they are high-profile QBs on high-profile teams, not because of what color they are. The flip side is Vince Young, who is basically a below-average QB but gets loads of (deserved) accolades because he somehow always seems to will his team to victories. He's helped by the fact that expectations and media scrutiny are comparatively low in Nashville.

The sad part is that you are dead on about this: McNabb and other black QBs have to be better than their white counterparts in order to earn the respect they deserve. But with that comes responsibility--if they are not living up to expectations, they can't just throw out the race card and expect people to cut them slack because they are black. That is racist BS.

[J.Kim]

A lot of it has to do with the press coverage that players receive. Being a fan of a big city team in Basketball, and a small city team in Football, I notice quite a lot of differences with the way that reporters report items and how they put their own spin on items. The press coverage in those big cities tend to be more cynical, and more pessimistic, even when the team is doing well. Comparatively, the press coverage in smaller cities tend to be more upbeat and optimistic.

As well, I think scrambling Quarterbacks tend to receive a lot more flack than your traditional pocket Quarterbacks. A case can be made in Steve McNair, he used to be more of a scrambling Quarterback, and even when he won the co-MVP, he was scrutinized to hell. Since that co-MVP, he became more of a pocket Quarterback, and seems to be receiving less flack. I've always wondered why Byron Leftwich never received the flack that some of these other african-american Quarterbacks do, considering his first-round status, and Jacksonville's expectancy for him to come in and lead their offense.

[Worm Guts]

I think there's something to it. Daunte Culpepper has been criticized here in Minnesota for being inaccurate and unable to read defenses. When you look at the stats both claims are ridiculous, obvious products of racial stereotypes.

[Icness]

A lot of it has to do with the press coverage that players receive. Being a fan of a big city team in Basketball, and a small city team in Football, I notice quite a lot of differences with the way that reporters report items and how they put their own spin on items. The press coverage in those big cities tend to be more cynical, and more pessimistic, even when the team is doing well. Comparatively, the press coverage in smaller cities tend to be more upbeat and optimistic.

As well, I think scrambling Quarterbacks tend to receive a lot more flack than your traditional pocket Quarterbacks. A case can be made in Steve McNair, he used to be more of a scrambling Quarterback, and even when he won the co-MVP, he was scrutinized to hell. Since that co-MVP, he became more of a pocket Quarterback, and seems to be receiving less flack. I've always wondered why Byron Leftwich never received the flack that some of these other african-american Quarterbacks do, considering his first-round status, and Jacksonville's expectancy for him to come in and lead their offense.

Perhaps because he isn't a "traditional" black QB but more like Drew Bledose with a slow release?

I wonder if black fans put more pressure on the stereotypical black QBs (scramblers, athletic runners with big arms, like Vick and Culpepper) to succeed for some reason, like perpetuating a style of play that's more exciting or something? And also if they back away from guys like Leftwich and Aaron Brooks, who aren't real mobile, for racial reasons?

[J.Kim]

There seems to be a certain slight against mobile QB's in general, IMO. Some of the QBs that are revered in Football lore are the traditional type of QBs. And with the mobile QBs (Steve Young as an example), they are often not viewed as highly as they should be (Randall Cunningham seems to be forgotten quite a lot), and often times people seem to forget that they were a mobile QB (Tarkenton?).

And with the rise of scrambling QBs recently, and how they're not viewed as highly as some of the other traditional pocket QBs, I think there still is a slight against them to a certain degree. Of course, what this leads to is the perception that African-American QBs are viewed unfairly, because a great majority of the African-American QBs that make it into the league are mobile QBs.

[evildallas]

On the way up, I'm sure what Donovan said about having to be better is true. To get and keep the QB job, I'll concede that the black quarterback has to be better because racism does still exist.

On the criticism comment I believe he is completely off-base. First off, he plays in Philly which is known for their intense, insane, and negative fans. QBs get a lot of praise and a lot of criticism regardless of race.

Of the 2 guys he mention, Peyton Manning isn't getting criticized right now because he won the Super Bowl. As recently as last year he was the NFL version of A-Rod and was getting criticized for his post-season shortcomings. He's right that Carson Palmer isn't getting the level of criticism, but for the wrong reason. Carson Palmer is like Donovan several years back. He's playing well, the team is winning, and they make the playoffs. He isn't missing most of each season with an injury (he did have the 1 bad one that ended a season) and he hasn't been around long enough to get that can't win the big one label (yet).

Donovan is upset they appeared to draft his eventual replacement well before he was ready to move on. Rather than hunker down and show that its his job he's starting to whine like a little bitch. In 1992, Denver drafted John Elway's "replacement" in Tommy Maddox in the 1st round. Elway showed he was done and Maddox was out of town after 2 seasons. Elway played another 7 seasons as starter in Denver after his replacement was picked. McNabb is at the same point in his career as Elway was in 92. BTW, at the time the white Elway was criticized for not being able to win the big game and for different parts of his game.

One more QB to bring up in all of this . . . Brett Favre. Favre has been roundly criticized the last few years for being wild, undisciplined, and getting his receivers killed with his high passes because he wasn't winning like he used to. This is a white QB who once won the Super Bowl and he had been getting criticized as heavily as McNabb, Well until now because the Pack started 2 and 0. A coincidence? I think not.

[Icness]

^^^
Nice post!

[SSUBluesman]

QB is the most well known and visible position in the most well known and visible sport in America. The QB's are going to catch **** no matter what color they are and whether they deserve it. That being said, I do think McNabb is right in that black QB's come under more scrutiny in the sense that it comes from their race and the stereotypes that it brings, i.e. not smart, can't lead, aren't "true" QB's, etc.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Rex Grossman, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisbergr (2006 version), JP Losman (pre last year) were all critisized to death because of suckiness and losing.

In the past Joey Harrington also recieved as much flak as the above. Heck Payton Manning was putting by godly numbers and was still bashed to death because of his inability to win in the playoffs.

No, this is completely off base. Losing earns your criticism, along with choking in the big games. McNabb has been a loser for the past two years which is why hes recieved so much heat, not because hes black.

[FNQ]

My respect for McNabb dropped a ton.

The only stereotype I see that's prevalent in the NFL now is that white QBs cant scramble and black QBs can't read defenses/pass as well. Those stereotypes are changing quickly, as people are finally coming out of caveman mode and realizing that the race card doesn't matter. Jeff Garcia, Jake Plummer, David Carr... all are scrambling QBs (though Carr wasn't by choice). JaMarcus Russell, Byron Leftwich, Jason Cambell... black QBs who need to stay in the pocket.

The only time there was racial implications to Donovan was when Rush Limbaugh opened his fat mouth... other than that, Donovan was handed the starting job, given the players he asked for (TO), and is attempting to deflect blame for his own folly... like previously posted, there are two ways to do this: be resilient and fight for your job, or make excuses on the way out while your successor must be privately grinning from ear to ear at your implosion.

McNabb made his choice, and Kevin Kolb is smiling.