What does Tom Brady's pro success say about...

Post #1 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:40 pm

Given Brady's lack of hype at Michigan and during the draft, what does his all-time great-ish pro success say about him, his coaches, NFL scouting, and the quarterback position as a whole?

jumanji · Post #2 » by **jumanji** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:43 pm

I think it says you can find diamonds after the first round, Joe Montana wasnt a 1st round pick either. Brady is in the ideal situation, right coach, right system, right teammates. Not sure he'd be having this kind of success with some of the bottom feeders.

Post #3 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:46 pm

1. That no matter how much scouting has evolved there are always going to be undervalued players available. It's just a matter of teams bucking conventional (i.e. combine) scouting methods and using a more critical (and sometimes statistical) approach.

I know a lot of people like to credit systems for making QBs but unless you're talking about college (or Houston last season), it's more about the system conforming to the strengths of the player than the other way around in the NFL.

Harry10 · Post #4 » by **Harry10** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:50 pm

Brady, Farve, Young and Montana where all not first round picks

jumanji · Post #5 » by **jumanji** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:43 pm

Harry10 wrote:Brady, Farve, Young and Montana where all not first round picks

Young was but point well taken.

Post #6 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:48 pm

Harry10 wrote:Brady, Farve, Young and Montana where all not first round picks

Favre was an early 2nd round pick who was highly touted and would have gone in the 1st if the right teams had been drafting in the right order (he was rated higher on most boards than Marinovich who was drafted at the 24 spot of the first round). His eventual superstardom isn't that weird.

Young was the #1 overall pick of the Supplemental draft, and signed a $40 million dollar deal with the USFL out of college, so that's just misunderstanding on your part. He had plenty of hype.

Montana is a good name to bring up in this discussion. However even he was not nearly as unsung as Brady upon entering the NFL.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #7 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:50 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Favre was an early 2nd round pick who was highly touted and would have gone in the 1st if the right teams had been drafting in the right order (he was rated higher on most boards than Marinovich who was drafted at the 24 spot of the first round). His eventual superstardom isn't that weird.

Young was the #1 overall pick of the Supplemental draft, and signed a $40 million dollar deal with the USFL out of college, so that's just misunderstanding on your part. He had plenty of hype.

Montana is a good name to bring up in this discussion. However even he was not nearly as unsung as Brady upon entering the NFL.

Or had he not nearly killed himself with wreckless antics and caused himself some injuries.

l2RDO · Post #8 » by **l2RDO** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:34 am

I think everyone is missing the obvious reason why Tom Brady is having such success....
S T E R O I D S!!!

Post #9 » by **Icness** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:10 pm

Brady had a small body of collegiate work to extrapolate upon. He only played two seasons, and even then he split time with Drew Henson. Everyone was infatuated with Henson's rifle arm and his Yankees deal, so Brady was always the "buying Henson more time" guy. Those UM teams did not have great passing attacks--the top WR was David Terrell and then Marcus Knight. He followed a guy who won a national title (Griese). One major point against Brady was his fumbling--he lost 19 fumbles in his last 15 games, and fumbled a total of 31 times in his college career.

Harry10 · Post #10 » by **Harry10** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm

i always thought that Griese got preferential treatment at Michigan because of his dad.

SpeedyG · Post #11 » by **SpeedyG** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:16 pm

Harry10 wrote:i always thought that Griese got preferential treatment at Michigan because of his dad.

Wasn't Griese out of Michigan by then? It was the other QB that was there in front of Brady (the guy that played baseball, drafted by Texans, signed by Dallas)?

Name escapes me at the moment.

Post #12 » by **sunshinekids99** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:40 pm

Drew Henson. But Brady was behind Griese for the national title in 97.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #13 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:45 pm

Icness wrote:Brady had a small body of collegiate work to extrapolate upon. He only played two seasons, and even then he split time with Drew Henson. Everyone was infatuated with Henson's rifle arm and his Yankees deal, so Brady was always the "buying Henson more time" guy. Those UM teams did not have great passing attacks--the top WR was David Terrell and then Marcus Knight. He followed a guy who won a national title (Griese). One major point against Brady was his fumbling--he lost 19 fumbles in his last 15 games, and fumbled a total of 31 times in his college career.

Including the Cowboys

richboy · Post #14 » by **richboy** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:32 pm

I think the qb position is the most difficult position to scout. Some qbs are getting hyped up but play in systems that help them. Then there other qbs that don't have the talent or system around them that fall under the radar. I watched Marc Bulgar in college and I swore that he was just as good as David Carr. Carr played in a much better system in college. No surprise Bulgar plays in the better system in the pros. Now he suddenly the better player.

jumanji · Post #15 » by **jumanji** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:58 pm

l2RDO wrote:I think everyone is missing the obvious reason why Tom Brady is having such success....
S T E R O I D S!!!

And i thought it was all the girlfriends

Harry10 · Post #16 » by **Harry10** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:46 am

^ i like Brady, all he does is throw touchdown and bang super models. :clap: