Tom Brady

[Elway=GOAT]

Hey Iceness, I posted this video the other day...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eZ_zbxt9q2c

I didnt watch the whole thing through untill now. My question now is, why the hell wasnt this guy drafted earlier than the 6th round? If you watch the video, all the way through...The "weak" arm, theory gets put to rest. There was probably 6-7 times in this video that he throws it 50-60 yards down the field accurately. Even in college, first highlight of the video.

The other thing, I noticed, watch his feet, no happy feet. Just like he is now, stays calm in the pocket, and steps up, to avoid the pass rush. Not to mention, he checked off his receivers in college better than 95% of the QB's in the NFL right now!

Then, later in the video, it highlights his game winning drives, in the superbowl.

I truly believe if he was picked, 1-3 in the draft, and had crazy hype coming out of college, while putting up his numbers now, and doing what he has done people would start calling this guy goat, kinda like Jordan after his 7-8 years.

You also have to wonder, if he had a superstar at wide receiver, instead of a bunch of slot guys, would his numbers be just as gody, as any other QB's? I think they would...

The guy is just everything you want in a QB. Size, accuracy, throwing power, field general, and just a smart overall player, he has pretty much mastered the position. The only knock I guess you could say, is he is not an overly athletic guy. But Lets be honest, pocket passers win superbowls, and running QB's do not. He knows when to step into the pocket and avoid the hit...

PS: Tom Brady this year, has made it into my man crush rankings. He joins Elway, Montana, Champ Bailey, Shannon Sharp, Atwater, etc...

[Basketball Jesus]

I truly believe if he was picked, 1-3 in the draft, and had crazy hype coming out of college, while putting up his numbers now, and doing what he has done people would start calling this guy goat, kinda like Jordan after his 7-8 years.

What does draft position have to do with percevied greatness at the NFL level?

You also have to wonder, if he had a superstar at wide receiver, instead of a bunch of slot guys, would his numbers be just as gody, as any other QB's? I think they would...

I don't; not with Belichick running the team.

[Elway=GOAT]

What does draft position have to do with percevied greatness at the NFL level?



I don't; not with Belichick running the team.

The draft has nothing to do, with percevied greatness. The player earns that on the field. I feel that, if you have two guys, putting up Identical numbers. One was a great college QB celebrated, etc, etc people will automatically look at him as the better player.

Brady is a perfect example, I know alot of people kiss his butt. But you find just as many people saying, he sucked in college this guy is better, its the system, thats the only reason why hes good in the pro's. Draft position and college greatness, have a huge impact on the way most people look at players.

Another example, Reggie Bush, godly in college, sucks in the pros. But hes everywhere. I have never seen so many billboards, and advertisments for a guy who is average 3 yards a carry and 4 yards a catch. If he was anyone else, people would look at him as a bum. But he dominated in college and was a high draft pick, so people have this idea that he is actully an elite player.

In terms of the belichick comment, I think that they are kinda proving your theory wrong this year, Brady has a 79.2 completetion percentage, and 13 td's through 4 games, if you dont think he would be at the top in terms of stats and production, I think your crazy. Brady has been spreading it out, alittle more, and the receivers are making bigger plays. If they had the players to throw down field, and dominate through the years past, they would of aired it out alittle more.

Dont get me wrong, they are still a somewhat conservative offense, just not as much as they were during the superbowl runs. Because they dont have to be now. They have been running alot more shotgun plays this season. Instead of just doing curl routes or hitting guys in the slot for 5-10 yards each play.

Its not like he has bad numbers either, as far as production during the regular season, he is usually top 5. You add Moss, Stallworth, Welker, etc, etc. They are clearly more explosive, and clearly better than before, just look at how well Brady has played this year. I firmly believe that he would put up Manning type numbers or close to it.

[Elway=GOAT]

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I don't; not with Belichick running the team.

I demand you retract this statement.

[Elway=GOAT]

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What does draft position have to do with percevied greatness at the NFL level?

PS: Addia vs. Bush

Whos been the better player? who gets more hype? Bush by far, not because he is the better or greater player, but he had more hype coming out of college. So id say the average NFL fan would say Bush is better, even though at this point he clearly isnt.

[NO-KG-AI]

every runningback they plug in the Colts backfield is doing good.....

No one can run the ball behind our line this year, Reggie today was our first running attack.

[Elway=GOAT]

every runningback they plug in the Colts backfield is doing good.....

No one can run the ball behind our line this year, Reggie today was our first running attack.

Reggie Bush was far less impressive than Duece running behind the same line.

[NO-KG-AI]

yeah that 3.8 ypc and 0 touchdowns was really impressive

[Elway=GOAT]

yeah that 3.8 ypc and 0 touchdowns was really impressive

You look at the complete body of work, the last two seasons. Behind the same line, there is no question who the more productive back was. Regardless, Addia is a better back.

My point is obvious to anyone without the blinders. We are constantly having a guy, who is putting up 3.5 yards a carry and 5.4 yards a catch, with 2 touchdowns in 5 games, with 3 fumbles, on a 1-4 team...Shoved down our throats alittle much. Not because he has really accomplished anything in the pro's. But because he may have been the best college running back ever.

Hype out of college, goes a long way. It blinds people of the true great players in the pro's, and the average ones.

EDIT: Thats as of now, do I think he is going to improve and be a elite player? Probably...Do I think he deserves the amount of hype he has been getting, Peyton Manning type hype? Hell no. Do I think he has been a bust? At this point yes, regardless of how you wanna spin his rookie year. For the amount of hype he got coming out, he was a bust.

[NeedsMoreCheese]

The thing that really detracts me from Bush is he doesnt run vertically, he always goes horizontally. And that shows in they mentioned last night his 22 yard run is the longest hes had so far. I understand hes been sharing the load until now but for someone so explosive he should be able to get longer runs. But he decides to audition for Dancing with the Stars rather than go upfield.

[l2RDO]

College hype does have alot to do with percieved talent. Look at Michael Vick, it took 5 or so years for people to finally start realizing he wasnt that good a QB, he was just an athletic freak.

[UrbanLegendMD]

He wasn't even All Big Ten at Michigan. I read the predraft scouting report on him awhile back and they said slow, weak arm, is not strong enough, unathletic, career back up best case. I was laughing my ass off reading that last line.

[JurassicJake]

Yea, he split time with all-world QB/3B Drew Henson. Missed my fantasy draft, but boy am I happy that I got him!

[jumanji]

It's well documented that you can get great QBs after round one. The ones that come to mind immediately are Brady and Joe Montana. The common thread with those two are the confidence and the leadership. And of course they both had some good looking babes.

[JurassicJake]

Yea but most of the greats have been from the first round.

[jumanji]

Yea but most of the greats have been from the first round.

As well they should be. Add Johnny Unitas to the list of non 1st rounders in the hof.

[JurassicJake]

For every Tom Brady there are thousands of Gino Torettas.

[UrbanLegendMD]

Kurt Warner should be mentioned too, future Hall of Famer.

[NO-KG-AI]

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You look at the complete body of work, the last two seasons. Behind the same line, there is no question who the more productive back was. Regardless, Addia is a better back.

My point is obvious to anyone without the blinders. We are constantly having a guy, who is putting up 3.5 yards a carry and 5.4 yards a catch, with 2 touchdowns in 5 games, with 3 fumbles, on a 1-4 team...Shoved down our throats alittle much. Not because he has really accomplished anything in the pro's. But because he may have been the best college running back ever.

Hype out of college, goes a long way. It blinds people of the true great players in the pro's, and the average ones.

EDIT: Thats as of now, do I think he is going to improve and be a elite player? Probably...Do I think he deserves the amount of hype he has been getting, Peyton Manning type hype? Hell no. Do I think he has been a bust? At this point yes, regardless of how you wanna spin his rookie year. For the amount of hype he got coming out, he was a bust.

He was terrible the first half of the year, and terrific the second half and the playoffs... but somehow he gets no credit for the good things he did....

And this year by comparison.... everyone has been bad... except Bush had this one good outing... that's the first good outing by a RB this year....

The run blocking has been absolutely horrid this year, Deuce, and Stecker(who proved to be a good back, behind some shoddy lines here) can't run... Reggie couldn't run...

I mean look at the Seahawks game for example. Reggie was running wild with some protection... then in the second half it broke down and he struggled.

Seriously, if they play like they played in the second half, and in the first 4 games, no one can run behind this line.

Was Reggie a disappointment last year? eh, I guess it depends how you look at it, during the first half for sure, and if you look at it overall, then yeah he was I guess, but he came on strong in about the last 6 games and then played well in the playoffs.

Reggie has his issues right now.. mostly with patience, and letting things open up for him. But things aren't exactly opening up, as shown by Deuce and Stecker also playing poorly.

[Fatty]

I did not follow the NFL draft 7 years ago but my guess is that Tom Brady had a little talent when he got drafted and just worked extremely hard afterwards. Hard work folks.