Top 50 Players

Post #1 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:30 pm

Top 10 of the 50:

1. Tom Brady, QB, New England Patriots: Can he do any more than he did last season? The scary thing for the rest of the league is, yes he can.

2. Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis Colts: Even Manning's down seasons are sensational. If Marvin Harrison is back this year, watch out.

3. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, San Diego Chargers: His failure to play in the AFC Championship Game hurts his rep some, but he's still the best runner in the game.

4. Randy Moss, WR, New England Patriots: Talk about resurrecting a reputation. He wasn't on many top 50 lists a year ago. Now he's a top 10 player.

5. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos: It's chic to pick his game apart. That's foolish. Bailey is still the best cover corner in the game.

6. Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans: Williams is making the Texans proud for passing on Reggie Bush and Vince Young to take this pass rusher. He might have been the league's best defensive player in the final eight weeks of 2007.

7. Bob Sanders, S, Indianapolis Colts: The only thing holding him back is the injury issues. When he's on the field, the Colts have a different defense.

8. Carson Palmer, QB, Cincinnati Bengals: After Brady and Manning he's the third-best quarterback. The Bengals need to run it a little better to take the heat off him.

9. DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Dallas Cowboys: He was given more freedom in Wade Phillips' version of the 3-4 and played better in 2007. Ware is a speed rusher who has his best football still in front of him.

10. Kevin Williams, DT, Minnesota Vikings: He is a powerful inside player who teams with Pat Williams to form the best tackle tandem in the league. He is good against the run, yet quick enough to get pass-rush penetration.

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Post #2 » by **studcrackers** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 2:26 am

I cant believe romo isnt on that list, and williams should be below merriman and ware

Post #3 » by **Next Coming** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 9:45 am

Hey I like Wes Welker but to have him ahead of guys like Tony Romo, Antonio Cromartie and Terrence Newman is preposterous.

Jason Peters has passed Walter Jones as the best LT in the game.

And I love the love Mario Williams is getting these days. Keep on making everyone look stupid man.

Post #4 » by **Icness** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 2:44 pm

I think it's time people stepped back and took a fair assessment of Carson Palmer. I think he's very good, but consider:
He threw more INTs (20) than times sacked (17). That means he's either inaccurate or making some pretty lousy decisions, and one of the last things I would call Palmer is "inaccurate".

He throws to the best 1-2 WR punch in the league, and their #3 and #4 are better than most too.

The Bengals have had one of the better RT/LT combos in the league his entire career. Only Peyton Manning and Drew Brees get pressured less often (times hurried/sacked per pass attempt) over the last three seasons. Compare Palmer to Brees and you'll probably be surprised. And Brees has a couple of playoff wins to boot. Tony Romo has superior numbers (QB rating, YPA, TD/INT ratio) with rougly equivalent supporting casts over the last 24 games than Palmer, and most non-Cowboys fans would laugh at comparing those two.

Elway=GOAT · Post #5 » by **Elway=GOAT** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:16 pm

Icness wrote:I think it's time people stepped back and took a fair assessment of Carson Palmer. I think he's very good, but consider:
He threw more INTs (20) than times sacked (17). That means he's either inaccurate or making some pretty lousy decisions, and one of the last things I would call Palmer is "inaccurate".

He throws to the best 1-2 WR punch in the league, and their #3 and #4 are better than most too.

The Bengals have had one of the better RT/LT combos in the league his entire career. Only Peyton Manning and Drew Brees get pressured less often (times hurried/sacked per pass attempt) over the last three seasons. Compare Palmer to Brees and you'll probably be surprised. And Brees has a couple of playoff wins to boot. Tony Romo has superior numbers (QB rating, YPA, TD/INT ratio) with rougly equivalent supporting casts over the last 24 games than Palmer, and most non-Cowboys fans would laugh at comparing those two.

I started to notice, Palmer was not all he was cracked up to be last year. Where can I get those statistics, that I bolded?

Post #6 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:20 pm

Two things that bothered me most about the list:

18. Charles Woodson, CB, Green Bay Packers: Ask Packers insiders who was better last season, Woodson or Pro Bowl player Al Harris. The answer is Woodson. After Bailey, I'd take him over all other corners.

The fact that he is higher on the list than Nnamdi Asomugha really irks me.

-and-

The one and only Giant on the list is Osi Umenyiora at #42! I'm not saying he deserves to be any higher, but he should not be the only Giant mentioned. Where the hell is Plaxico Burress? He didn't even make the "Just Missed" list!

Post #7 » by **studcrackers** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 7:14 pm

i noticed palmer wasnt that great when he didnt justify where i picked him in my FF league, he had a couple monster games then was really average the rest of the year

i think id put tuck over osi, maybe im trying to look into the future with that decision but osi only had 7 sacks aside from when he raped winston justice and his entire family

but i think you almost have to put romo in the top 6 qb's and id put him behind palmer and brady (thats could be the homer in me talking)

Post #8 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 9:38 pm

studcrackers wrote:but i think you almost have to put romo in the top 6 qb's and id put him behind palmer and brady (thats could be the homer in me talking)

Peyton Manning and Drew Brees say hello.

Post #9 » by **studcrackers** » Tue Jul 1, 2008 10:43 pm

what the hell was i thinking when i typed palmer instead of manning

Post #10 » by **Da Schwab** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:23 am

You probably still had your mind on how he f'ed with your FF team. I'm just happy you weren't serious.

Post #11 » by **Icness** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 11:13 am

Elway=GOAT wrote:
Icness wrote:I think it's time people stepped back and took a fair assessment of Carson Palmer. I think he's very good, but consider:
He threw more INTs (20) than times sacked (17). That means he's either inaccurate or making some pretty lousy decisions, and one of the last things I would call Palmer is "inaccurate".

He throws to the best 1-2 WR punch in the league, and their #3 and #4 are better than most too.

The Bengals have had one of the better RT/LT combos in the league his entire career. Only Peyton Manning and Drew Brees get pressured less often (times hurried/sacked per pass attempt) over the last three seasons. Compare Palmer to Brees and you'll probably be surprised. And Brees has a couple of playoff wins to boot. Tony Romo has superior numbers (QB rating, YPA, TD/INT ratio) with rougly equivalent supporting casts over the last 24 games than Palmer, and most non-Cowboys fans would laugh at comparing those two.

I started to notice, Palmer was not all he was cracked up to be last year. Where can I get those statistics, that I bolded?

Pro Footbal Weekly, under their statistics area. It's in the miscellaneous stats. They extrapolated that in one of their print issues last season, I want to say right around Halloween, when they were talking about the Browns' resurgence. I'll look for it when I get a free minute--they put up the top 10 and bottom 5, as is their custom. You have to be a subscriber for access.

thierry · Post #12 » by **thierry** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 11:00 pm

The Cowboys are so grossly hated on in this list. Jason Witten and Marion Barber not even being listed is ridiculous. Jason Witten is the 2nd best TE in the league, arguably the best. Marion Barber behind Jason Taylor and Larry Johnson? No. Newman should be in the 40s, and Romo should be in the top 10.

UrbanLegendMD · Post #13 » by **UrbanLegendMD** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:42 am

thierry wrote:The Cowboys are so grossly hated on in this list. Jason Witten and Marion Barber not even being listed is ridiculous. Jason Witten is the 2nd best TE in the league, arguably the best. Marion Barber behind Jason Taylor and Larry Johnson? No. Newman should be in the 40s, and Romo should be in the top 10.

Jason Witten is not as good as either the soulja or Gates, IMHO.

Post #14 » by **studcrackers** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 3:42 am

witten had more yards then either of them as the #2 option, is considered a better blocker then either of the 3 also. hell he had nearly 1000 yards one year with vinny testaverde as his freakin qb

and he's only 26 (2 years younger then gates and a year older then K2)

he's just not as flashy as the other 2 (in other words, he's white)

Post #15 » by **Icness** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:03 pm

studcrackers wrote:witten had more yards then either of them as the #2 option, is considered a better blocker then either of the 3 also. hell he had nearly 1000 yards one year with vinny testaverde as his freakin qb

and he's only 26 (2 years younger then gates and a year older then K2)

he's just not as flashy as the other 2 (in other words, he's white)

I don't think it's because he's white. I think it's because he doesn't have the athleticism of the other two and he plays the game that way. He's not a guy who is going to blow past a LB and catch a skinny post 22 yards down the field between the safeties. There's nobody better than Gates at that, and K2 is a close second. That ability to impact the defense gives them more value, to some. I happen to find a great deal of value in a reliable receiver who can block at the TE position without having to get downfield.

Post #16 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sat Jul 5, 2008 12:07 am

Drew Brees really made our OL look good if you only look at stats, he should have been sacked much more than he was, but he's excellent at feeling pressure, then he slides his feet and buys more time... our O-Line was garbage last year, other than Brown and Evans... the rest were just getting plowed through, which is why our running game sucked, and we couldn't get anything but short passes going...

Sack stats don't do justice to how bad they were.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #17 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sat Jul 5, 2008 12:55 am

lol at Fred Taylor ahead of Portis. Taylor wouldn't survive one game behind the Redskins offensive line, at least the one Portis had to run behind last year.

You find me a back in the league who could have done as good as CP did last year running behind a line in which 2 of his starters on the right side missed all season and the center was in and out all season. lol even our 2nd string RT got injured and we had an undrafted rookie who started the latter part of the season.

Post #18 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Sat Jul 5, 2008 9:41 pm

I'd choose Fred Taylor over Portis. Jacksonville's offensive line isn't anything special and the Skins probably have more talent across the board. Taylor finally has been getting his deserved props from the football masses this past year.

re: Carson Palmer, he's played with some good tackles but the interior of the Bengals' line really sucks. They were in the bottom fifth of the league in rushing because most of their runners preferred the interior and guys like Eric Ghiacuic kept getting pushed off the line. So sure, he's getting decent protection on the outside from Levi Jones, Willie Anderson and Whitworth, but having a DT and a LB coming at him in a direct path cancels that out somewhat. Not saying I don't completely disagree on his decision making giving how woeful the Bengals offense played last year, but I think other contributing factors were at stake.

Also, LMAO at Marion Barber over Jason Taylor. Taylor's what, 35, and he's still barely lost a step.

Mags FTW · Post #19 » by **Mags FTW** » Sat Jul 5, 2008 11:15 pm

Greg Jennings will make the list next year.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #20 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:00 pm

PhilipNelsonFan wrote:I'd choose Fred Taylor over Portis. Jacksonville's offensive line isn't anything special and the Skins probably have more talent across the board. Taylor finally has been getting his deserved props from the football masses this past year.

Jacksonville's offensive line is 100x better than the crap the Redskins had to put out last year. When healthy, the Redskins probably had a top 5 line in the league (with Dockery and minus Kendel). Last year was total crap, mostly due to the injuries.

Garrard is better than any quarterback on the Skins roster and I'd call the receivers a wash, though we might have the advantage due to Cooley and Moss (who shows up for about 4 games a season).

Again, I'd CP over Taylor for pretty much everything. More durable, better receiver and an excellent blocker.