Kurt Warner

[Elway=GOAT]

Kurt Warner is revived his career and is in the running for MVP this season, after another great game. He is arguably playing better than any QB in the league right now. Lets say they Cards and Warner finish the season on fire, and he picks up his 3rd MVP.

Right now he is itting at:

2 MVP's
1 Superbowl MVP

If he picks up a 3rd does he make the Hall of fame?

Also the Cards have just as good of a shot as anyone of making it to the Superbowl and winning it imo. They have enough weapons on offense and defense to make some serious noise in the playoffs. So lets assume the Cards have a dream season, Warner wins the MVP and a superbowl MVP

That puts him at 3 regular season MVP's and 2 Superbowl MVP's, does that get him into the hall of fame?

[DaDragicShow]

Whoever says Tom Brady is better is frickin nuts. Kurt Warner best QB in the NFL period.

[J.Kim]

I don't know if there was ever a QB with as weird a career progression as Kurt Warner's. He's got two peaks and quite a valley in between those two. And there's no proper way to assess how good he really is because:
a) In his top seasons, he's always been surrounded by good talent on the O-Line and the WRs, and a favorable coaching strategy
b) His valley seasons (End of St. Louis run, 1 season with the Giants, first couple of seasons with Arizona) have been injury-riddled

He's got himself a nice career resume, and because of it the voting committee will take a look at him, but I personally don't think he deserves to be in the HoF.

[Celtics_Champs]

Whoever says Tom Brady is better is frickin nuts. Kurt Warner best QB in the NFL period.

Wow. I hope you mean, this year, when brady isn't playing.

Otherwise, that is a pretty ridiculous statement right there. Tom Brady has been consistent ever since he got in the league. A three time sb champ, two time sb mvp, and one of those he beat Warner.

Warner is a good QB. But he has had two great receivers his whole career. Bruce and Holt. Or Fitz and Bolden. Tom brady had **** up until last year. And that year, when he did get that receiver he deserved, he led the pats to an undefeated regular season, broke records, and won the MVP by a landslide.

[NO-KG-AI]

It's a shame that Drew Brees' MVP year is going to be killed by the teams massive injuries

[CBS7]

I was going to start this thread.

But be realistic, the Cardinals aren't going to win the superbowl. But even if they don't, he's going to the HOF, IMO. I think the 2 MVPs and superbowl MVP should be enough.

[HMFFL]

Kurt's HOF status doesn't rely on him winning another MVP, he's already going to make it, and he's had one hell of a career. I enjoy watching him today and I hope he continues putting up the big numbers.

[cowboys4life]

I dnt think that Kurt is the MVP right now. I think the MVP is A.P because of the division hes in is alot better than the NFC West. And the numbers hes putting up right now is rediculos. He is the laeuge leader in rushing and he just put up a huge game running for 190 sumtn yards. This guy is a tank and in my view is the MVP right now

[Elway=GOAT]

I was going to start this thread.

But be realistic, the Cardinals aren't going to win the superbowl. But even if they don't, he's going to the HOF, IMO. I think the 2 MVPs and superbowl MVP should be enough.

People didn't think the Giants would win the Superbowl at this time last year either. They have the 3rd best offense in the league, and a very young defense that is middle of the pack, and can only get better from here.

[deeney0]

KW is my MVP pick right now, and I don't think he needs another one to get into the Hall.

[J.Kim]

Am I missing something? Why does everyone think Kurt Warner is a no-brainer for the HoF?

[LAKESHOW]

MVP candidates
1. reggie bush
2. kerry collins
3. eli manning
4. kurt warner
5. lendale white

[Basketball Jesus]

Is Randall Cunningham a Hall of Fame QB? Because they have a rather similar career path (three-year span of greatness, late-career revival.), except Cunningham's was derailed by a serious injury and not general suckitude.

It would be an affront to the history and tradition of the game if a marginal QB like Kurt Warner makes the Hall of Fame over numerously-deserving defensive players and offensive linemen. But, then again, the Hall counts Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman among its members, so there probably is no prestige to speak of.

[Celtics_Champs]

MVP candidates
1. reggie bush
2. kerry collins
3. eli manning
4. kurt warner
5. lendale white

What?

With lendale coming in at 5, I assume you are a USC lover.

[CBS7]

What are you, new here, C_C??

[Celtics_Champs]

What are you, new here, C_C??

Oh geez, his usc lovefest is that bad huh?

[HMFFL]

Is Randall Cunningham a Hall of Fame QB? Because they have a rather similar career path (three-year span of greatness, late-career revival.), except Cunningham's was derailed by a serious injury and not general suckitude.

It would be an affront to the history and tradition of the game if a marginal QB like Kurt Warner makes the Hall of Fame over numerously-deserving defensive players and offensive linemen. But, then again, the Hall counts Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman among its members, so there probably is no prestige to speak of.

I don't see the hall keeping Kurt out due to his achievements. How many 2 x MVP's are out of the hall? Unlike Troy(Not deserving), Randall and Terry(Achievements landed him the hall), Kurt is second all-time behind Steve Young with the highest quarterback rating. That gives the hall of fame another reason to drool over Kurt Warner.

On the other hand, it seems as if you only have to rank up achievements, and throw for thirty thousand yards to make it.

Troy: 165 games, QB Rating 81.6, TD/INT: 165/141, Yards 32,942
Kurt: 103 games, QB Rating 94.5, TD/INT: 171/106, Yards 26768.
Terry: 168 - Won't mention his stats because his achievements landed him a seat at the hall.

With another two solid years Kurt could potential end up with thirty five thousand passing yards, so along with his achievements, he's going to eventually be a hall of famer, and yet as you can see he's currently played less than sixty games compared to other two above. I still feel he's much more deserving by the numbers over Troy and Terry.

[Basketball Jesus]

These are the problems I have with Warner’s current credentials:

- The problem with using raw data to support an argument in football is that you really need to put it into context with league tendencies. As we all know, passing yards are much easier to come by in 2000 than they were in 1990, and much, much easier than the years preceding the Mel Blount Rule in 1978. So, 25,000-30,000 yards in modern football isn’t entirely impressive, especially when guys like Trent Green and Kerry Collins are high up on the all-time list.

- If you look at his career, Warner has three exceptional seasons (not including this one), three seasons of OK-average play, and a handful of half-seasons. Generally the Hall is lenient on short, but high peak performances but they’re usually accompanied by some career-ending event, like an injury or death, that shortened the player’s career. That’s not the case with Warner.

- Two MVP trophies are nice, but they ring hollow to me. First, MVPs generally go to skill-position players, QBs mostly. Personally, I don’t put as much stock into a QB winning an MVP as, say, a WR. Second, he was surrounded by some incredible talent on those teams, possibly four Hall of Fame offensive players: Faulk, Pace, Holt, and Bruce as well as a great supporting cast (guys like Ricky Proehl). Third, guys like Trent Green and Marc Bulger played in the same Mike Martz system and put up comparable numbers. Normally I’m not one to put much thought into the “system QB” nonsense but, when it comes to debating the HoF credentials of a borderline player like Warner, it warrants discussion whether or not the player transcended the system he was in. (Which is why I’m not big on Terrell Davis’ candidacy.)

- Longevity and sustained production should matter greatly when it comes to quarterbacks. Quarterback is the most well-protected position in the league outside of the punter and, accordingly, a HoF-quality quarterback should be expected to have a relatively-lengthy career and a sustained peak. Warner doesn’t have that. Three years with the Rams and this season. In between he hasn’t had anything remotely resembling HoF-quality play.

Right now, I can’t say that Warner is a Hall of Fame quarterback. I don’t find it easy enough to separate his accomplishments from that of those magnificent Rams teams to the point where I can say he was anything more than a “right place, right time” kind of guy. That’s not to say Warner can’t become a Hall of Fame QB. Four-five more seasons (including this one) at a relatively high level of performance and he’s got a case. But now? No. I don’t see it.

[studcrackers]

meh, i'll say troy is a HoF qb

[Basketball Jesus]

meh, i'll say troy is a HoF qb

He probably is, but he’s definitely a low-end Hall of Fame QB.