Colts in trouble?

magicfan4life05 · Post #1 » by **magicfan4life05** » Sat May 16, 2009 7:08 pm

The Colts have lost head coach Tony Dungy, offensive coordinator Tom Moore, defensive coordinator Ron Meeks and offensive line coach Howard Mudd in one off-season.

Moore is the only offensive coordinator that Colts have had since Manning got there.

They also released Marvin Harrison this offseason, granted he hasn't been very productive the last 2 seasons, but he was still a threat.

Colts record since Manning arrived in '98:

'98 3-13
'99 13-3
'00 10-6
'01 6-10
'02 10-6 (Dungy is Coach)
'03 12-4
'04 12-4
'05 14-2
'06 12-4 ( WON SUPERBOWL )
'07 13-3
'08 12-4

'09 ???

They still got a great QB in Manning and a great GM in Polian,

but do you think they'll be able to maintain their consistency as a 10-12 win every season or will all these changes finally catch up to them?

IMO I think their run might be coming to an end especially with up and coming teams like Houston and Tennessee on the rise in their division. They will still be a good/solid team but not as elite as they used to be last 7 years.

High 5 · Post #2 » by **High 5** » Sat May 16, 2009 10:27 pm

Definitely, but their stretch of 6 years there sure is impressive to see lined up like that. Funny the Lions lost 16 games last year and the Colts have only lost 17 in the last five years. Same with the Patriots.

Post #3 » by **Da Schwab** » Sat May 16, 2009 11:19 pm

Even though they went 12-4 last season, I think it was pretty evident that they were starting to decline. I think they'll contend for another 3-4 years, until Peyton decides to hang 'em up.

Jim Caldwell should be close to the same coach as Dungy was. He was Caldwell's mentor after all.

magicfan4life05 · Post #4 » by **magicfan4life05** » Wed May 27, 2009 11:15 pm

FWIW

http://www.indystar.com/article/2009052 ... er+Manning

Colts coaching changes fluster Manning

The on-going uncertainty surrounding the Indianapolis Colts offensive coaching staff, coupled with a lack of communication regarding that uncertainty, isn't setting well with quarterback Peyton Manning.

"I can't tell you what's going on,'' Manning said during a break for one of the team's organized team activity sessions today at its Westside complex. "I will say I don't think it's been the most properly communicated scenario around here.''

Not knowing the details during the process irritated Manning, who faced losing his two most trusted coaches.

"It's not a situation that I'm just thrilled about,'' he said. "I think the communication has been pretty poor in my opinion. Somebody says one thing, then somebody else says another thing.

"I'm not sure everybody's on the same page in this building. I'm just trying to focus on playing quarterback well.''

Post #5 » by **Icness** » Thu May 28, 2009 6:37 pm

This year's Colts fascinate me. IMO if Peyton Manning keeps this group in the playoffs he's solidified his argument as the greatest QB ever and proves my long-held theory that Tony Dungy is badly overrated as a coach. I think they've had a very difficult offseason and their division is tough, but I will not bet against Peyton Manning until proven otherwise.

Post #6 » by **Latrell** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 10:19 pm

I believe we are one of, if not the youngest team in the league right now...On D more than offense

magicfan4life05 · Post #7 » by **magicfan4life05** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 12:22 am

Well I guess it's only fair, I made this thread when they left....so I might as well bump it up when since they are back

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=artic ... 621a0ea0cc

Moore, Mudd Return in Former Roles, Caldwell Says
INDIANAPOLIS – Two of the Colts' longtime offensive assistants are back.

And notably, they're back in their previous roles.

Tom Moore, the Colts' offensive coordinator from 1998-2008, and Howard Mudd – the offensive line coach during the same span – are back with the team and will perform the same duties, Colts Head Coach Jim Caldwell said Friday. The two retired in May over concerns with the NFL's pension program.

So why did they "retire" earlier if they were eventually coming back?

Can someone explain this NFL pension plan thing and how did they benefit from leaving and coming back?

Wizards2Lottery · Post #8 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:38 am

The Titans are in for a rude awakening without Haynesworth.

Post #9 » by **Mr. E** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:37 am

Gilbert0Arenas wrote:The Titans are in for a rude awakening without Haynesworth.

Maybe so, but I think that the Redskins are going to ultimately be disappointed in the Haynesworth signing. I think that now that he has his major contract with lots of guaranteed money he may be less...motivated on the field.

Munchlaxatives · Post #10 » by **Munchlaxatives** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:58 am

There's no question Haynesworth was playing for a contract. But, he was hiding a lot of weaknesses in Tennessee's D, including Keith Bullock's age.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #11 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 10:24 pm

Haynesworth's past demons are behind him. The man is motivated. I've seen him first hand at TC now and he's ready to eat your children.

Titans are screwed without him. The Redskins will only be more dominant with him and Orakpo.

Post #12 » by **Latrell** » Fri Aug 7, 2009 6:53 pm

I wouldnt say the Titans are screwed without him..Although losing him doesn't help..especially in division as stacked as the AFC South.

Post #13 » by **J.Kim** » Sat Aug 8, 2009 4:28 am

Gilbert0Arenas wrote:Haynesworth's past demons are behind him. The man is motivated. I've seen him first hand at TC now and he's ready to eat your children.

Titans are screwed without him. The Redskins will only be more dominant with him and Orakpo.

Screwed is blowing it way out of proportion.
Of course the Titans are going to miss Haynesworth in the Pass Rush, but I've said last season that the Titans' Run Defense has been mediocre despite the accolades the D-Line had been getting. Especially up the gut.
I think with Haye and Jones in the middle there, the Run Defense actually improves slightly though there is a considerable drop off in Pass Rush. Hopefully Haye and Vanden Bosch can team up like Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch often did. Use quick feet and the stunts and twists to their advantage.

Getting back on topic, I actually see Manning continuing his statistical dominance in the league. Maybe it's just me but from the years of watching the Colts facing the Titans, (probably not true, but) I've always got the feeling that Dungy did not have too much say in how the offense was handled...

Post #14 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sat Aug 8, 2009 8:40 am

Big year from Manning.

Loving it for fantasy football, he's going to drop like a rock, and I know I'm going to get a full 16 games from him, with a floor of 4000 yards and 26 touchdowns.

Bleeding Blue · Post #15 » by **Bleeding Blue** » Sun Aug 9, 2009 11:30 pm

Here is an article written by the local sports reporter for the Indianapolis Star....he is usually very critical of the Colts, so this is a change of pace....good read

http://www.indystar.com/article/2009080 ... +last+year

Boneman2 · Post #16 » by **Boneman2** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:10 pm

I think Donald just might have enough big-play ability to get teams to respect the run again. Peyton hasn't had the luxury over the past few seasons of having the play-action work to his standards. Peyton and Marvin solidified spots in the HOF because of play-action, if Peyton sells the run it is lights-out.

Peytons production will be similar to 08', but I expect the Colts rushing stats to reflect better efficiency.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #17 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:55 pm

Whats wrong with Joseph Addai?

Boneman2 · Post #18 » by **Boneman2** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:58 pm

Addai doesn't have the speed or vision that makes linebackers & db's take notice. Instead of teams playing eight in the box, they play eight outside the box and still effectively stop Joseph. He doesn't hit the hole, which is why Dominic Rhodes became the feature back for the Colts during their 9 game winning streak to conclude last season.

Donald Brown is a lot better than Dom.

Triple M · Post #19 » by **Triple M** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:10 pm

Gilbert0Arenas wrote:The Titans are in for a rude awakening without Haynesworth.

I wouldn't say that at all they are still a playoff calibre team actually good enough to repeat as AFC South champs. Offensively it starts up front with what many would call the best offensive line unit in the league. An O-line which is flanked by arguably the best tackle duo in league in Roos and Stewart. The O-line gives them ability to run the ball even against good defensive teams allowing them to manage the clock while keeping their defense fresh. However, even more importantly it protects Kerry Collins and gives him time to throw. Last season the Titans gave up the fewest sacks in the league while Collins him self was only sacked a mere 8 times. The Tians have made some upgrades to the WR corp although they are still a lot of question marks surrounding them. One positive is that they will see plenty of one-on-one coverage and will have time to get open.

Defensively the loss of Haynesworth is huge but the Titans are returning 10 of 11 starters especially a healthy KVB. The LB corp is as solid as they come and the secondary is one of hte best in the league. Up front they will miss Haynesworth comanding double teams but the Titans have a lot of D-linemen who can get into the back field. The depth they have should not be overlooked the one area that concerns me is against the run. Last years teams were force to pass more often then usual because of getting down early leading to the Titans being the 3rd highest pass targeted team. When teams did establish the run they had big games(2x Houston, NYJ) so taking out a 6'6" 320 pound linemen is going to hurt on running downs.

Overall the Titans have the pieces to be a very good team this season again I don't see the downturn some in the media are expecting.

magicfan4life05 · Post #20 » by **magicfan4life05** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:12 am

magicfan4life05 wrote:The Colts have lost head coach Tony Dungy, offensive coordinator Tom Moore, defensive coordinator Ron Meeks and offensive line coach Howard Mudd in one off-season.

Moore is the only offensive coordinator that Colts have had since Manning got there.

They also released Marvin Harrison this offseason, granted he hasn't been very productive the last 2 seasons, but he was still a threat.

Colts record since Manning arrived in '98:

'98 3-13
'99 13-3
'00 10-6
'01 6-10
'02 10-6 (Dungy is Coach)
'03 12-4
'04 12-4
'05 14-2
'06 12-4 ( WON SUPERBOWL )
'07 13-3
'08 12-4

'09 ???

They still got a great QB in Manning and a great GM in Polian,

but do you think they'll be able to maintain their consistency as a 10-12 win every season or will all these changes finally catch up to them?

IMO I think their run might be coming to an end especially with up and coming teams like Houston and Tennessee on the rise in their division. They will still be a good/solid team but not as elite as they used to be last 7 years.

Colts have started 5-0 and look to lock up their division much faster than anyone else.

Peyton Manning = REALLY REALLY GOOD