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The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 2:53 pm
by Icness
This is why I'm a Lions fan even though I grew up in greater Cleveland!
http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... _be_fired/

My follow-up piece, after texting a couple of players, some staffers, and a couple of beat reporters:
With the news on Monday that Browns owner Al Lerner fired GM George Kokinis, an awful season on the shores of Lake Erie officially sank to new depths. Handpicked by embattled head coach Eric Mangini just 10 months ago to take over the GM duties, numerous sources report Kokinis had to be escorted by security from the Browns HQ in Berea.

Cleveland hero Bernie Kosar recently joined the team in a consulting role, a move widely interpreted as a harbinger of doom for the current regime. Kosar lacks experience, and that was thought to provide the Kokinis/Mangini braintrust at least until the end of the year. But a disgusting loss in Chicago that one Browns staffer told me was “the most embarrassing 3 hours of my life” was apparently enough for Lerner. Under increasing fan venom and decreasing ticket and merchandise sales, Lerner has been under pressure to make more drastic changes. The firing of the quiet Kokinis, who rarely spoke to the media or showed little emotion, is another bold move after trading enigmatic receiver Braylon Edwards, arguably the team’s most talented player.

All signs point to Kosar as Kokinis’ eventual replacement. Though nobody speaks with any sort of assuredness or authority, several people around the Browns that I texted and emailed indicated that they believe Bernie will assume the role in some form. Former GM Ernie Accorsi, who ran the team during Kosar’s heyday, is widely regarded to be involved in some form as well, most likely as Kosar’s mentor and advisor. A recent report on Cleveland.com denied this, however.

There is a great deal of work to be done. The Browns rank dead last in defense, yet that’s arguably the better half of the team. The QB carousel has spun to Brady Quinn again after Derek Anderson couldn’t put up a QB rating higher than his shoe size (sadly that’s not hyperbole!) against a porous Bears defense. Only the 2005 49ers ever posted a worse offensive efficiency rating over the first half of any season, and the Browns are actually getting worse in that regard by the week. There is open enmity towards Mangini, a task-master who fined players for taking water bottles and has created a curtain of secrecy that alienates the fans and has clearly not inspired the players. Mangini recently received the vote of confidence that he will finish out the season as coach, but the long-term future remains as unclear as Lake Erie at Edgewater Park after a thunderstorm.

Jeff.Risdon@RealGM.com

that will be up on teh main page soon. Kokinis and Mangini are close friends, and I strongly beleive this move indicates Mangini is one and done in Cleveland. To quote one player, "It's worse than you could ever imagine."

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Tue Nov 3, 2009 6:42 pm
by bigrich88
There is no way after this debacle that Mangini gets another head coaching job.

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Fri Nov 6, 2009 6:34 pm
by Roger Murdock
Will mangini even get hired as a coordinator? My prediction is he gets fired after week 11. We lose to the ravens by 30+ on monday night, and then lose by 14 to the lions, then by by mangini.

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:23 am
by Munchlaxatives
Icness wrote:This is why I'm a Lions fan even though I grew up in greater Cleveland!
http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... _be_fired/

My follow-up piece, after texting a couple of players, some staffers, and a couple of beat reporters:
that will be up on teh main page soon. Kokinis and Mangini are close friends, and I strongly beleive this move indicates Mangini is one and done in Cleveland. To quote one player, "It's worse than you could ever imagine."

First of all, I'm glad to have you here, it's hard to find a good sports writer anymore, let alone a scout.

What's the problem in Cleveland? I thought they showed promise under Romeo, who seemed to be unprepared to be a head coach. It looked like they just needed a good coach.

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:22 am
by Rooster
With the news on Monday that Browns owner Al Lerner fired GM George Kokinis, an awful season on the shores of Lake Erie officially sank to new depths. Handpicked by embattled head coach Eric Mangini just 10 months ago to take over the GM duties, numerous sources report Kokinis had to be escorted by security from the Browns HQ in Berea.

A bit ass-backwards, isn't it?

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:07 pm
by Icness
The whole situation is just crazy. It seems now they're going to approach Mike Holmgren to become the majordomo after the year and let him pick his own coach (read: Jon Gruden). That way they could put Bernie Kosar in as GM and learn from Holmgren and save face all around.

Munch: I thought much the same, that they needed a coaching upgrade from Romeo to get more out of the talent. I actually had some hope with Mangini but he blew all that up very quickly.

There is this pervasive cloud in Cleveland about how Bill Belichick was handled. Even though that was Art Modell, this ownership is desperate to not repeat the same mistake. They want to get the guy who is going to become the next Hoodie, the guy that couldn't get it done in his first job but learns and goes on to being a rousing success in his second one. The difference is, nobody else is Bill Belichick. The sooner the Lerners figure that out, the better for the team. IMO they need to step as far away from the Belichick/Parcells coaching diaspora and try thier own thing.

Ideally I would love to see Brian Billick become the coach under some package of Ernie Accorsi and Bernie Kosar.

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:37 pm
by UrbanLegendMD
You know your team sucks when the locals jump on the Lions bandwagon.

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:58 pm
by magicfan4life05
Good read Icness


There's a lot of talk that the reason Mangini is now going back to Quinn is because he was due a large roster bonus which was tied to the amount of snaps he took (I think 70%). So now that it's mathematically impossible for him to get to reach that percentage, he's back as the starter.


and now Mangini claims he DID NOT KNOW about Quinn's escalators in his contract:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... scalators/


and now PFT shows Mangini was lying

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ncentives/


That's messed up Mangini !

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:20 pm
by SD2042
UrbanLegendMD wrote:You know your team sucks when the locals jump on the Lions bandwagon.



:lol:

That's bad outright.

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:01 am
by Icness
I think y'all will enjoy this. Written by a fairly prominent agent, it goes into very good detail on just how much of a megalomaniac Mangini is, and how messed up Cleveland really is...
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/A-lesson-learned-in-Cleveland.html

The player involved is Jabari Greer, FYI

Re: The Browns suck, but you knew that...

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:53 pm
by srt4b
yeahhhhhhhhhh