Burks/Noel trade with New York still not done. Brunson still hasn't signed with NY either. A trade is in the works?

[Manocad]

It's also possible that there are reasons the trades were kept separate on the surface rather than announcing it as Walker, Burks, Noel, #13, two 2nd rounders and $6 million for the Pistons' 2025 first rounder (and whatever else was in there). Perhaps behind the scenes both trades were required to get #13.

"Wasn't worth it" is a subjective phrase. "Wasn't worth it to you" is a factual statement. Clearly it was worth it to Gores and Weaver.

Yes, we know. Newsflash: Critiques of front office moves by fans on a fan forum are subjective. Also, water is wet. It's a given. No need for an asterisk after every post.

Yes, I know. Newsflash: Critiques of front office moves made by fans on a fan forum are subject to critiques by other fans on that forum. Also water is wet. It's a given. You do it, we all do it. Get used to it.

[Manocad]

I don't see the big stink over this contract. Dudes are both expiring and the Pistons fill out the roster with vets while meeting the salary minimum with flexibility for the future.

There's no reason to make a big stink. In the grand scheme given what Weaver is clearly trying to accomplish this year it means nothing. The complaining is due to some people here thinking Weaver should have done what THEY wanted him to do, thus he screwed up with this trade. Surprise folks--Weaver isn't operating according to anyone's preferred plan other than his/Gores'. It's like having a goal to graduate college with an engineering degree and going on to be a successful engineer, then people complain that you screwed up because you were smart enough to be a doctor...which is what they would have done. There's a difference between "Damn, I was hoping that Weaver would have used the cap space to sign a big name this year rather than next" and "Weaver screwed up/got fleeced."

[440BB]

The underlying issue is that both Burks and Noel aren't worthless salary dump players. Burks is a possible rotation piece and Noel can be a defensive presence if he stays healthy. It's possible one or both of these players play well and can be moved by the trade deadline, as they're not too expensive. It's now easier to move Olynyk, with Noel as a mentor helping mold the bigs. I'm fine with these useful vets for some or all of the season, balancing out our extremely young roster.

[Manocad]

The underlying issue is that both Burks and Noel aren't worthless salary dump players. Burks is a possible rotation piece and Noel can be a defensive presence if he stays healthy. It's possible one or both of these players play well and can be moved by the trade deadline, as they're not too expensive. It's now easier to move Olynyk, with Noel as a mentor helping mold the bigs. I'm fine with these useful vets for some or all of the season, balancing out our extremely young roster.

Wait--are you suggesting that Weaver actually was utilizing critical thinking and did something that made sense with this trade? Madness!

[Kilo]

Detroit gets NYK or Minnesota SRP in 2026 vs top 55 protected Miami Heat pick in 2024. Heat protected pick was worthless. His 2026 pick, even the worse of the two, could be decent.

I suspect this trade is in itself two separate trades - hence the player's rights and the 2025 heavily protected Piston SRP. In the NBA you can't trade pure cap space but an asset of some kind - even a very bad one like the heavily protected SRP or the rights to some international scrub.

Must be some benefit for NYK doing it this way and why the terms changed a smidge into Detroit's favor.

[Kilo]

The underlying issue is that both Burks and Noel aren't worthless salary dump players. Burks is a possible rotation piece and Noel can be a defensive presence if he stays healthy. It's possible one or both of these players play well and can be moved by the trade deadline, as they're not too expensive. It's now easier to move Olynyk, with Noel as a mentor helping mold the bigs. I'm fine with these useful vets for some or all of the season, balancing out our extremely young roster.

While certainly true, neither were worth a team paying a SRP to take on. NYK obviously would have tried to trade them for a return if there was a market for them. NYK paid to get them off their books. Admittedly a cheap price.

[vege]

That Pistons 2nd rounder going to NY wasn't announced in the original deal. I'm wondering if we had to add it in because Dallas had interest in Burks coming back in a sign-and-trade. Weaver decided he wanted him enough that he'd send a 2nd rounder back in the deal.

UPDATE: Nevermind I just read its top 55 protected so there's a 99% chance it won't convey, and if it does convey who cares we're a top 5 team in the league in 2024/25.

I could be wrong, but I believe you need to send something back in a trade. That's probably a top 55 protected 2nd, it's probably a fake 2nd.

[chrbal]

So we got about market value for two sort of expiring contracts that are still playable?
And the original version of this wasn’t the final version.

Should I act surprised?

And for those of you that don’t like this trade. You do realize Weaver would have probably handed out contracts like Joseph’s?

So roughly two $10 million per with a team option second season or two roughly 2 yrs/$10 million with the second season being a player option.

Which option sounds better, realizing the player would be likely to pick up the option?

[kellmellus50]

free press:The Detroit Pistons' most recent offseason trade with the New York Knicks became official Monday. And the deal has changed slightly from the initially agreed terms.

The Pistons have acquired Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel, their own 2023 second-round pick, a 2026 second-round pick from either the Knicks or Minnesota Timberwolves and cash in exchange for the draft rights to Serbian point guard Nikola Radicevic and a protected second-round pick in 2025, the team announced.

The Pistons were initially slated to receive a heavily protected 2024 second-round pick from the Miami Heat, rather than the 2026 pick from the Knicks or Timberwolves.

[vege]

So we got about market value for two sort of expiring contracts that are still playable?
And the original version of this wasn’t the final version.

Should I act surprised?

And for those of you that don’t like this trade. You do realize Weaver would have probably handed out contracts like Joseph’s?

So roughly two $10 million per with a team option second season or two roughly 2 yrs/$10 million with the second season being a player option.

Which option sounds better, realizing the player would be likely to pick up the option?

CoJo is way more useful than Noel for us considering our roster construction.

I like Burks a lot, always liked, but I would rather have a better player than spend money in average players like CoJo/Noel/Burks/KO etc etc etc

[BadMofoPimp]

So we got about market value for two sort of expiring contracts that are still playable?
And the original version of this wasn’t the final version.

Should I act surprised?

And for those of you that don’t like this trade. You do realize Weaver would have probably handed out contracts like Joseph’s?

So roughly two $10 million per with a team option second season or two roughly 2 yrs/$10 million with the second season being a player option.

Which option sounds better, realizing the player would be likely to pick up the option?

I like this deal much better than handing out free agent contracts to similar players cuz it would be hard to get quality for 1 year contracts or 2 year with team option at this juncture.

[chrbal]

So we got about market value for two sort of expiring contracts that are still playable?
And the original version of this wasn’t the final version.

Should I act surprised?

And for those of you that don’t like this trade. You do realize Weaver would have probably handed out contracts like Joseph’s?

So roughly two $10 million per with a team option second season or two roughly 2 yrs/$10 million with the second season being a player option.

Which option sounds better, realizing the player would be likely to pick up the option?

CoJo is way more useful than Noel for us considering our roster construction.

I like Burks a lot, always liked, but I would rather have a better player than spend money in average players like CoJo/Noel/Burks/KO etc etc etc

Cool
The point is that either we acquire these two with their contracts or give out two contracts like Joseph’s to players like Burks and Noel. And honestly speaking with Weaver you know that’s how it would’ve played out.

I’d rather spend $20 million on one year we’re not doing much on these two over 2 years and $20 million total on two players like them.

I fully realize we are probably going to eventually deny Burks team option to sign him to a different contract.

[vege]

So we got about market value for two sort of expiring contracts that are still playable?
And the original version of this wasn’t the final version.

Should I act surprised?

And for those of you that don’t like this trade. You do realize Weaver would have probably handed out contracts like Joseph’s?

So roughly two $10 million per with a team option second season or two roughly 2 yrs/$10 million with the second season being a player option.

Which option sounds better, realizing the player would be likely to pick up the option?

CoJo is way more useful than Noel for us considering our roster construction.

I like Burks a lot, always liked, but I would rather have a better player than spend money in average players like CoJo/Noel/Burks/KO etc etc etc

Cool
The point is that either we acquire these two with their contracts or give out two contracts like Joseph’s to players like Burks and Noel. And honestly speaking with Weaver you know that’s how it would’ve played out.

I’d rather spend $20 million on one year we’re not doing much on there two over 2 years and $20 million total on two players like them.

I fully realize we are probably going to eventually deny Burks team option to sign him to a different contract.

Yeah I also think Burks will be a keeper and we will probably extend him.

[Phobo_Phile]

Definitely a little interesting that one of the second rounders changed for the better for us since the trade was initially reported. Makes me wonder why exactly.

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[Snakebites]

Definitely a little interesting that one of the second rounders changed for the better for us since the trade was initially reported. Makes me wonder why exactly.

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Might have been improperly reported to begin with.