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Windhorst podcast on Pistons outlook

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Re: Windhorst podcast on Pistons outlook 

Post#81 » by tmorgan » Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:31 pm

Bey is gonna start. I’m not the biggest Bey fan, but you don’t lose your starting spot in the off-season to a previous second round pick. That would create resentment and potentially disrupt team chemistry.

That said, I do like Livers a lot. Grant was our starting 4, and he’s gone, so that spot is up for grabs. I do agree that Cade works best with a lob threat (Livers, by the way, gets up a lot better than you think, certainly better than Stew), but that isn’t enough reason to start Bagley. Ivey can definitely catch lobs on set plays, and I assume we’re thinking that Duren is our long-term center project, so that’s another lob catcher.

I’ll keep an open mind about Marvin. I want him to develop further, to become a better defender, to improve his range, but I’m skeptical. I just hope he plays well enough to be worth his deal and become tradable if we get a better option. I want Stewart to become a good starting 4, but I’m aware that’s not guaranteed either. Bey and Livers are likely both 3’s that can play the 4 for short stretches, but we aren’t winning anything if we can’t rebound. Those two at both forward spots, with any of Stewart, Bagley, or current Duren at center are likely gonna get crushed on the boards.

We’ll figure something out. At least we have young pieces to test and evaluate. That’s a new, positive development for sure.
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Re: Windhorst podcast on Pistons outlook 

Post#82 » by Pharaoh » Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:19 am

Think long term it's gonna be like this:

Duren
Stewart
Bey
Ivey
Cade

Bench of:

Hayes - a big guard that can pass and play good D isn't all that hard to find but given his age and "potential" if he ever finds a jumpshot.

Livers - fell in the Draft due to injury and seems like the perfect "glue" guy every good team has.

Bags - again "potential" is there for him to be "more" but as is he's a big that can get you buckets and opens up options for our guards.

I'm well aware this assumes no trades involving any of the above or any real additions via free agency but - on paper - we do appear to have a very bright future.



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Re: Windhorst podcast on Pistons outlook 

Post#83 » by edmunder_prc » Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:15 pm

In the NFL a team needs a vision, ex: 3-4 Defense with press coverage and find the guys to fit that. Every exception causes problems. Madden said that if a team starts making exceptions, soon the entire team are exceptions and it fails.

I just cant see a team built with Stewart at PF because he cant do anything that a PF should do. PFs are now bigger SFs - they need to create, dribble, drive and pass, shoot off the dribble. Stewart is a C - and even then he has weird pluses and minuses that make a team plan hard to build. He's a center that doesnt provide blocks (changing how the other teams offense operates) and he cant catch lobs. The guy standing by the basket, trying to get offensive rebounds need to do that.

Duren makes sense in the DeAndre Jordan/Dwight Howard kind of C and maybe he has some passing skills, maybe he learns to shoot a little. He makes sense - easy to build around.

I'm very interested to see Bey because he is so streaky on offense and tried to do too much last year. He needs to become extremely reliable - that should be the skill he works on. High percentage 3s, make fewer mistakes on D. No bull-rushing on offense, picking up his dribble, trying to shake and bake around the basket leading to fade-aways with his strange shot from his chest.

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