Would you trade our FRP for KD?

[buzzkilloton]

In a few seasons KD will want to come here on the minimum to ring chase. No way you give up a lotto pick today.

[theBigLip]

In a few seasons KD will want to come here on the minimum to ring chase. No way you give up a lotto pick today.

I can’t wait for that to happen.

[tmorgan]

No, I would not. Not because he isn’t worth it, but because that’s not the way I want to win,

All the Pistons’ three titles were with players we either drafted or rehabilitated, with only a few exceptions (Rip, Sheed, Aguirre, Laimbeer is close). The Bucks did this recently. The Warriors did for two of their four titles. Those mean a HELL of a lot more to me than LeBron’s abominations in Miami and LA, or Boston’s heist of KG and Ray.

I want to win, but not with mercenary d-bags like KD, LeBron, and Harden.

[coolness]

Our 1st wouldn't be that good with KD winning games for us.

I'm all about hypotheticals though. This one is just fatally flawed.

[Uncle Mxy]

Yes, I'd trade that #30 pick we have by virtue of being winners for KD.

[DetroitSho]

No, I would not. Not because he isn’t worth it, but because that’s not the way I want to win,

All the Pistons’ three titles were with players we either drafted or rehabilitated, with only a few exceptions (Rip, Sheed, Aguirre, Laimbeer is close). The Bucks did this recently. The Warriors did for two of their four titles. Those mean a HELL of a lot more to me than LeBron’s abominations in Miami and LA, or Boston’s heist of KG and Ray.

I want to win, but not with mercenary d-bags like KD, LeBron, and Harden.

The way to win is to score more points than your opponent. How you do it, legally within the rules, does not matter one iota, self righteousness be damned.

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[Manocad]

In a few seasons KD will want to come here on the minimum to ring chase. No way you give up a lotto pick today.

I can’t wait for that to happen.

Here's his current contract:
2022-23 $42,969,845
2023-24 $42,969,845
2024-25 $49,856,021
2025-26 $53,282,609
So even a couple/few years down the road he'll still cost a lot. And considering that Bey, Stew, and Cade (potential supermax extension) will be on new deals after the 2023-24 season, it would seem that 2023-24 is championship or bust. Point being, it would not appear mathematically that getting KD offers much of a championship window before the risk is he becomes that old player with an albatross of a contract. Maybe I'm wrong but at first blush that's what it seems like to me.

[theBigLip]

In a few seasons KD will want to come here on the minimum to ring chase. No way you give up a lotto pick today.

I can’t wait for that to happen.

Here's his current contract:
2022-23 $42,969,845
2023-24 $42,969,845
2024-25 $49,856,021
2025-26 $53,282,609
So even a couple/few years down the road he'll still cost a lot. And considering that Bey, Stew, and Cade (potential supermax extension) will be on new deals after the 2023-24 season, it would seem that 2023-24 is championship or bust. Point being, it would not appear mathematically that getting KD offers much of a championship window before the risk is he becomes that old player with an albatross of a contract. Maybe I'm wrong but at first blush that's what it seems like to me.

I think KD will be able to shoot 3s until he’s 40. The rest of his game will slow down. I just like the thought of KD and Bojan on the wings w Ivey and Cade driving and dishing, w our man-child Duren in the post. Anyway, fun thread to fantasize.

[tmorgan]

No, I would not. Not because he isn’t worth it, but because that’s not the way I want to win,

All the Pistons’ three titles were with players we either drafted or rehabilitated, with only a few exceptions (Rip, Sheed, Aguirre, Laimbeer is close). The Bucks did this recently. The Warriors did for two of their four titles. Those mean a HELL of a lot more to me than LeBron’s abominations in Miami and LA, or Boston’s heist of KG and Ray.

I want to win, but not with mercenary d-bags like KD, LeBron, and Harden.

The way to win is to score more points than your opponent. How you do it, legally within the rules, does not matter one iota, self righteousness be damned.

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I don’t mind differences of opinion as much as you do, apparently.

[DetroitSho]

No, I would not. Not because he isn’t worth it, but because that’s not the way I want to win,

All the Pistons’ three titles were with players we either drafted or rehabilitated, with only a few exceptions (Rip, Sheed, Aguirre, Laimbeer is close). The Bucks did this recently. The Warriors did for two of their four titles. Those mean a HELL of a lot more to me than LeBron’s abominations in Miami and LA, or Boston’s heist of KG and Ray.

I want to win, but not with mercenary d-bags like KD, LeBron, and Harden.

The way to win is to score more points than your opponent. How you do it, legally within the rules, does not matter one iota, self righteousness be damned.

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I don’t mind differences of opinion as much as you do, apparently.

Your opinion doesn't change what history reports tho.

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[Manocad]

I can’t wait for that to happen.

Here's his current contract:
2022-23 $42,969,845
2023-24 $42,969,845
2024-25 $49,856,021
2025-26 $53,282,609
So even a couple/few years down the road he'll still cost a lot. And considering that Bey, Stew, and Cade (potential supermax extension) will be on new deals after the 2023-24 season, it would seem that 2023-24 is championship or bust. Point being, it would not appear mathematically that getting KD offers much of a championship window before the risk is he becomes that old player with an albatross of a contract. Maybe I'm wrong but at first blush that's what it seems like to me.

I think KD will be able to shoot 3s until he’s 40. The rest of his game will slow down. I just like the thought of KD and Bojan on the wings w Ivey and Cade driving and dishing, w our man-child Duren in the post. Anyway, fun thread to fantasize.

For sure. I'm just thinking that financially you'd have one shot in 2023-2024 to keep that core together because assuming all of Cade, Bey and Stew are going to be gettin' PAID in 2024-25, the team might not be able keep all of them. In 2024-25 you'd have:
KD $50 mill
Cade (assume a supermax extension) $40 mill (30% of the current cap, higher if the cap goes higher)
Bojan $19 mill
Bey $18-ish mill (maybe more if he becomes a legit and consistent 18PPG player)
Stew $18-ish mill (maybe more, maybe less depending on how he develops)
Bagley $12.5 mill
Ivey $8 mill
Duren $4.5 mill

That's $170 million. And maybe the cap goes that high in a few years and it's no biggie. Or Gores is happy to pay luxury tax, or Bey, Stew and/or Bagley get moved.

[tmorgan]

The way to win is to score more points than your opponent. How you do it, legally within the rules, does not matter one iota, self righteousness be damned.

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I don’t mind differences of opinion as much as you do, apparently.

Your opinion doesn't change what history reports tho.

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Eh. Real fans know how titles were won. All three Pistons’ titles are highly respected. We delayed Jordan’s dominance, and put together perhaps the only champion in league history without a top ten, maybe even top fifteen or twenty, player in the league.

LeBron is an all-time great, but the only title he’s won that most fans respect was went he went back to Cleveland.

Banners fly forever, but not all banners are equal.

[Laimbeer]

Of course, but the Nets wouldn't and Durant would be asking for a trade within a week.

[DetroitSho]

I don’t mind differences of opinion as much as you do, apparently.

Your opinion doesn't change what history reports tho.

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Eh. Real fans know how titles were won. All three Pistons’ titles are highly respected. We delayed Jordan’s dominance, and put together perhaps the only champion in league history without a top ten, maybe even top fifteen or twenty, player in the league.

LeBron is an all-time great, but the only title he’s won that most fans respect was went he went back to Cleveland.

Banners fly forever, but not all banners are equal.

*checks notes* yeah LeBron's 4 titles are still showing there in the record books. And unless he gambled or point shaved in the process, they'll always be there, narrative-driven butthurt fans be damned.

The Boston Celtics won the NBA Championship as arguably the greatest team of all time and promptly picked 2nd in the draft and drafted a Naismith All American. Joe Dumars didn't even agree with your premise of team building as he traded those same castaways for the mercenary Kobe Bryant. Kobe just happened to veto the trade last minute.

If the object is to win, both players and organizations should be doing all they can to better their chances of doing so.

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[tmorgan]

No one’s “butthurt” here. It’s a difference of opinion. Stop being childish.

[tmorgan]

And tho I’m not the biggest Kobe fan, he doesn’t fit the definition of mercenary ay all. Just a winning-obsessed guy that wasn’t easy to get along with.

[DetroitSho]

No one’s “butthurt” here. It’s a difference of opinion. Stop being childish.

Childish is thinking feelings change facts.

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[tmorgan]

No one’s “butthurt” here. It’s a difference of opinion. Stop being childish.

Childish is thinking feelings change facts.

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It’s fact LeBron won four rings. It’s your feeling that all four should be valued equally.